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Title: [calcs] Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 12:06:57 am
I have no idea how to do it but I want to keep windows 7 when windows 10 comes out but still have windows 10 on my PC, so I would choose between win7 and 10 when my PC boots. How would I do that?
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: allynfolksjr on July 20, 2015, 12:08:44 am
Why would you do this? It may be worth considering the reasons and then deciding to stick with one OS or another rather than wrangling with booting multiple OSes.

If you need it for compatibility reasons, a VM may be a better choice.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Juju on July 20, 2015, 01:21:15 am
It's doable, you'd have to install Windows twice on 2 partitions and Windows' bootmgr would do the job, but as Nikky said, I'm not sure why you would do that other than compatibility reasons.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 01:52:06 am
Yeah, use a VM like virtualbox to simulate windows ten to check it out.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 01:55:59 pm
Well I say this because my sister (@chelsey_dagger) did this for our old computer, it had winXP and linux mint and when you booted the computer up you could choose the OS you wanted (linux for my mom and windows for me)

I want to do this because I don't want to have any compatibility issues as you said, also a VM would be slower instead of having it installed right (sorry my knowledge is limited about this :P)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 03:02:43 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 01:55:59 pm
Well I say this because my sister (@chelsey_dagger) did this for our old computer, it had winXP and linux mint and when you booted the computer up you could choose the OS you wanted (linux for my mom and windows for me)

Your mom uses Linux? O.O
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I want to do this because I don't want to have any compatibility issues as you said, also a VM would be slower instead of having it installed right (sorry my knowledge is limited about this :P)

True, a VM would be a bit slower, depending on how much RAM and storage you give it, and how many CPU's you give it.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 03:30:26 pm
My mom used to but she has no prefrence now she uses win7 and mostly here tablet :P

Also I want to run Minecraft win10 https://mojang.com/
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 03:39:43 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 03:30:26 pm
My mom used to but she has no prefrence now she uses win7 and mostly here tablet :P

Also I want to run Minecraft win10 https://mojang.com/

Welll, if you own a reg version, you get it. I should actually talk to my friend about getting his account so I don't have to share with another.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:00:27 pm
Yeah I already have an account so I can get it for free but I don't think a VM will handle it
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 04:02:48 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:00:27 pm
Yeah I already have an account so I can get it for free but I don't think a VM will handle it

Probably not, but I expect W10 will work pretty well for a while when it comes out.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:03:40 pm
Yeah I think I will just download it to a thumb drive and save it for later :P
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 04:05:42 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:03:40 pm
Yeah I think I will just download it to a thumb drive and save it for later :P

I might do that as well, or just use W10 regularly with W8 on a VM.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:06:43 pm
I will see if my sister knows what to do :)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 04:07:21 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:06:43 pm
I will see if my sister knows what to do :)

That could work :P
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:08:58 pm
She lives kinda close so it might work for her to come over so I don't break my PC :P
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 04:21:07 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:08:58 pm
She lives kinda close so it might work for her to come over so I don't break my PC :P

lol, that would be even better :P But, actaully if you follow directions, it usually comes out well. :)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:24:36 pm
Even better when you pretend you know nothing (which is true as far as this) and let her do everything, I might even learn something :P
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 04:25:45 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:24:36 pm
Even better when you pretend you know nothing (which is true as far as this) and let her do everything, I might even learn something :P

You probably will if you watch closely, usually, when setting up a virtual machine, I do it once, and remember it.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:27:20 pm
I have never actually had the need so I never did it but youtube would be the way to go
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 04:28:04 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:27:20 pm
I have never actually had the need so I never did it but youtube would be the way to go

Thats what I did when setting up W8 on my mac, and setting up OS X Lion on my moms PC :)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:30:12 pm
Yeah, I will mostly be on win7 even if I have win10 on my PC (I don't want to redownload everything or move it :P)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 04:31:46 pm
No need, it does it for you if you don't partition it. ;)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:38:15 pm
Oh, I would need to partition if I install the OS tho <_<
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 04:44:59 pm
Why? Just in case you want to downgrade? I think there are procedures for that that will save your data...
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 05:03:23 pm
I think I will download it, wait for massive bug reports to get smaller and install it after that :P
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 05:46:08 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 05:03:23 pm
I think I will download it, wait for massive bug reports to get smaller and install it after that :P

I should do that to, but I'm kinda excited for multiple desktops to improve multitasking. that's the one thing I likes about macs, ya know.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 06:32:23 pm
Yeah, multitasking is a useful skill :P I need to work on it as I can only work on one project at once :P
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Juju on July 20, 2015, 09:11:47 pm
Linux and OS X had the feature since quite a while, nice to see Windows has multiple desktop support as well, it's pretty useful and I do that all the time on my Linux and Mac machines.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 20, 2015, 09:46:42 pm
Quote from: Juju on July 20, 2015, 09:11:47 pm
Linux and OS X had the feature since quite a while, nice to see Windows has multiple desktop support as well, it's pretty useful and I do that all the time on my Linux and Mac machines.

Yeah, it's way helpful when researching little tidbits of code and it's also good for tutorials :)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on July 21, 2015, 03:33:14 am
If you don't mind waiting a year, you could wait until then then only install Windows 10. By then, most recent softwares will have been updated to run on Windows 10, if they don't run on it already. I heard  that most stuff should run with no problem, though. Otherwise, a VM might be your best bet.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 22, 2015, 03:21:23 pm
I think that si will upgrade, change is good, hopefully. I might wit a week or two tho.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 22, 2015, 04:36:09 pm
Yeah, I'll try do the same, using my parents computer as the guinea pig :P They already decided to get it :)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 22, 2015, 05:13:32 pm
Ooo... I should convince my dad that he should get it and see if it bricks his computer :P
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 22, 2015, 05:18:10 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 22, 2015, 05:13:32 pm
Ooo... I should convince my dad that he should get it and see if it bricks his computer :P


We are evil hamsters who plot against the parents :P IF it brick the comps, Microsoft is going to have to pay a ton to get everyone a new comp O.O
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 22, 2015, 08:57:29 pm
HeHe MONEY$$$$$$$$$ A newplot is revealed
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 22, 2015, 09:09:40 pm
Corrupt the installer... lol that would be illegal. O.O Not good.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 23, 2015, 12:41:20 am
That would be quite cool if I can get my sister to let my PC boot with 10 or 7, I will PM her...
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 23, 2015, 01:22:07 am
Don't forget about OS X and linux while you are at it! ;)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: chelsey-dagger on July 23, 2015, 11:38:13 am
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:24:36 pm
Even better when you pretend you know nothing (which is true as far as this) and let her do everything, I might even learn something :P


Caught in the act! Haha.

Yeah I should be able to help. For the most part though, Windows 10 should be completely compatible with anything that runs on Windows 8, and from what I know about the programs you use, there shouldn't be any compatibility issues. Just a learning curve as the design is quite different. There's not going to be any chance of bricking the machine with an upgrade, you just might want to back up your data beforehand (which you should be doing anyways!).

Dual-booting two versions of Windows is trickier than dual-booting Windows and Linux, but it can be done. *Edit to add:* Actually now that I think of it, the tricky part has been gone for years, it should be super straightforward. In any case, I can help you upgrade and/or dual boot next time I visit.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 23, 2015, 12:43:02 pm
That reminds me, I should get a backup drive or something of the sort. O.O
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 23, 2015, 02:28:46 pm
Awesome Chelsey! Thanks :)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 23, 2015, 08:25:29 pm
And while you do that, I'll b setting up a linux partition.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 23, 2015, 09:18:15 pm
I have never really tried linux...
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Strontium on July 23, 2015, 09:22:36 pm
Try Linux. You shall be enlightened!

Or you might completely hate it because you hate the concept of having to install stuff from the command line. Like, what? What is this nonsense?

seriously though, I suggest you try out linux with Linux Mint, Fedora, or Antergos (in order from most user friendly to least user friendly. Antergos is basically Arch Linux without the install process). Some people will recommend you try first with Arch Linux, but don't, unless you are fully aware that it will be hard and you're willing to take the challenge, even as a newbie.

Quote from: Unicorn on July 22, 2015, 05:18:10 pm
Quote from: alexgt on July 22, 2015, 05:13:32 pm
Ooo... I should convince my dad that he should get it and see if it bricks his computer :P


We are evil hamsters who plot against the parents :P IF it brick the comps, Microsoft is going to have to pay a ton to get everyone a new comp O.O

It wont brick them. Unless you majorly mess up the BIOS, all you will need to do is reinstall the OS.

Even if you do muck up the BIOS, a few motherboards have backup BIOS that they will restore from. Some other motherboards have the BIOS stored on a removable EEPROM that you can write a new BIOS to.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 23, 2015, 09:24:19 pm
I my mom used to use linux mint but my sister sett it all up for her :P
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 24, 2015, 12:30:52 am
Well, y eah, I wouldnt expect to brick a comp. O.O
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: alexgt on July 24, 2015, 01:03:39 am
The popup checks if your hardware is compliant or not so it would be quite ironic xD
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 24, 2015, 02:31:23 am
lol,yeah. :P Anyways, hopefully everything works out :)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Snektron on July 24, 2015, 11:40:42 am
I was actually thinking of switching to linux. I've used linux VPS'ses before. I want to dual boot first so i still do things that absolutely require windows (like some games). I am also familiar with ubuntu. What disto should i get or should i just use wubi? :P
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 24, 2015, 03:23:56 pm
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on July 24, 2015, 11:40:42 am
I was actually thinking of switching to linux. I've used linux VPS'ses before. I want to dual boot first so i still do things that absolutely require windows (like some games). I am also familiar with ubuntu. What disto should i get or should i just use wubi? :P


Thats my thinking to. Linux for dev, but Windows for games. :)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Streetwalrus on July 24, 2015, 06:00:39 pm
Avoid wubi at all costs. It's a very ugly hack.
That said, these days I'd recommend manjaro. If you want to get more in depth, arch Linux is awesome but requires more work to set up initially.

In the Debian world I recommend xubuntu or mint, or debian testing, if you want a funky distro check out fedora, or you could even go for a BSD flavor. The choice is broad so read up about all of these to choose whichever suits you. :)
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Lionel Debroux on July 25, 2015, 07:56:57 pm
+1 for Mint or Debian testing.

Fedora is firmly in the "bleeding edge technology, but less stable" camp, though they've now decided to do a better job at stability.
It's been a long time since they fed the Pulseaudio and KDE 4 trainwrecks of the time well before they were ready for prime time. The hardship of Fedora users helped make these technologies better for other distros, but still.
Upgrades from one distro version to the next one (6-8 months later, with short-lived support for upgrades) aren't always very smooth on Fedora either. Not a sample of scientific size, but I installed Fedora in a VM, in order to build libti*/gfm/tilp in it, which required installing build dependencies, of course. The VM repeatably crashed updating to the next Fedora version, I left it bitrot there.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 26, 2015, 04:28:21 am
So for a beggining linux user, start with mint?
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Snektron on July 26, 2015, 09:19:06 am
And Ubuntu? I heard it's generally some "easier" distro since it has things like the Ubuntu market thingy.
Not that i need it easier, but i've used it before
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Lionel Debroux on July 26, 2015, 09:45:55 am
Like many other persons, I stopped recommending Ubuntu in 2011, as Ubuntu's specific Unity interface is... not universally appreciated, to say the least.
The fact that Ubuntu is going its own way with Mir, instead of contributing to the common Wayland goal shared by the rest of the ecosystem, isn't universally appreciated either.

Any given user may like Unity better than other options, it's a matter of personal preference.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Snektron on July 26, 2015, 05:50:31 pm
Ah okay. I Installed Ubuntu with Mate on an USB a few weeks ago. It worked, but i f***ed something up and then i had to leave for vacation.
Title: Re: Having win7 and win10 on the same PC ???
Post by: Unicorn on July 27, 2015, 04:04:38 am
Well, I'm back on my computer, so I should set up a linux boot :) I'm going to start with Mint