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Title: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 20, 2016, 02:19:37 am
From Twitter, Nintendo's newest console, codenamed the NX, will be the Nintendo Switch!

QuoteBe among the first to discover #NX. Watch the Preview Trailer at 7am PT/10am ET!

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/788900063833493504

Can't wait for a summary of what's to come (hoping they actually leak info about the console hardware/design/what it is). I myself expect sub-par hardware, but much better portability than the Wii U (in terms of not having to be close to the Wii U to play on a gamepad), but who knows?

Update: They released a video of it and it looks very promising, featuring a tablet with detachable controllers (which can be used for two separate players), with the possibility to attach the tablet part to a dock station so that the Switch can be used as an home console.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdD7fD-buVc

It also supports cartridges similar to the 3DS and PS Vita, according to the video, and an advanced NVIDIA custom Tegra processor. Also, it appears to be running Mario Kart 8 and the Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, meaning it will most likely be backwards-compatible with the Wii U game library, at least in digital form.

UPDATE: They also seem to have some promising third-party support so far. Note, for example, that ATLUS, Tokyo RPG Factory, Square-Enix and Bandai Namco are listed, which opens the door for JRPGs, which have been rare on Nintendo consoles since 1996. See https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/789155375526260736 for a list.
Title: Re: Nintendo to send themselves a C&D letter by accident tomorrow or maybe NX leaks?
Post by: GalacticPirate on October 20, 2016, 12:12:06 pm
NX Annoncement at 2 PM UTC, so at 4 PM in Paris.
Title: Re: Nintendo to send themselves a C&D letter by accident tomorrow or maybe NX leaks?
Post by: Juju on October 20, 2016, 03:15:33 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uik5fgIaI

There you go. It's a thing.
Title: Re: Nintendo to send themselves a C&D letter by accident tomorrow or maybe NX leaks?
Post by: ::CMG (UTOPIA):: on October 20, 2016, 03:42:48 pm
Pros:


Cons:


Otherwise, I'll be doing what I do everytime a new console/handheld comes out.... wait a year after it's release, and then depending on the amount of games on it that i would be interested in playing*, I'll buy it for $100 less

*It's this fact alone that is the reason why I don't own a PS3-4/360/XBONE and why i still stick to retro s***.  The only "newer" console i have besides the 3DSXL is the regular Wii.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: aeTIos on October 20, 2016, 04:10:05 pm
I'm really hyped up, it looks great.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 20, 2016, 04:12:08 pm
Interesting name nonetheless. I thought it would be the NX but it looks like they followed their tradition of using code names then switching to official names.

Anyway it seems like what I thought was right: It can act as portable handheld and home console and the tablet part has detachable controller add-ons. Anyway the pro gamepad seems nice because I always liked the Xbox One style joystick layout, but I assume the pro gamepad will be sold separately and that the default will be the detachable one thing. The good thing with the detachable gamepads is that we can basically use both as separate gamepads, so unless they're sold separately then the console virtually comes with two gamepads :)

Anyway I like the idea so far and it seems like they went for better hardware at least. As for the price I guess we'll see. I definitively hope that the design/hardware choice doesn't force Nintendo to keep the price high yeears after its release like they did with the Wii U due to the gamepad.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 21, 2016, 11:57:42 pm
It seems they're gonna have some pretty good third-party support. Notice ATLUS, Tokyo RPG Factory, Square-Enix and Bandai Namco, which published many JRPGs. Maybe we'll see a comeback of that genre on the Switch?

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/789155375526260736
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvOkoK-UkAAt3Bc.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on October 22, 2016, 01:20:36 am
QuoteIt seems they're gonna have some pretty good third-party support. Notice ATLUS, Tokyo RPG Factory, Square-Enix and Bandai Namco, which published many JRPGs. Maybe we'll see a comeback of that genre on the Switch?

That means nothing tho. Remember the Wii U ?
They also claimed to be backed up with plently of third-party developers and all of them left the Wii U quickly after its release.
You have to keep in mind the fact that the Switch is less powerful than even Xbox One, despite the use of the Tegra X2.
So their games, when ported quickly, will not run smoothly and they might need to be some efforts to make it run smoothly.
So far, i'm pessimestic.

It's a good thing they no longer focus on kids (sorry, that was annoying) because honestly,
nintendo is not gonna get sales from them anymore.

For me tho, this means i should buy all those Wii/Wii U games as well as a Wii U if i can.
It's the right time to buy a Wii U. (and get it for cheap)

I hate how closed their consoles are tho and seeing what they are doing to fans,
they haven't changed a bit.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 22, 2016, 01:28:31 am
Depends. Many third-party devs dropped their support for the Wii U because of poor sales. The lower-end hardware didn't help either. If sales for the Switch are much higher then I bet they might still release spinoffs of popular PS4/Xbox One franchises, though, as they did on the Gamecube and Wii. For example, unless the hardware is really poor, I could see World of Final Fantasy being ported to the Nintendo Switch, as it seems to be the type of game that would cater to its fans.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on October 22, 2016, 08:24:04 am
1) The 'hipster' fad is over marketing guys
2) It's complete lack of power will once again be its downfall when the next generation is out
3) The detachable controllers are a strange idea and don't really add anything worthwhile imo
4) instead of having both home console and portable business streams they are now consolidating into 1 line - If it fails they go under completely ... very weird business decision
5) ONCE AGAIN FOR THE 3RD (READ: THIRD!!!!) - THE THIRD *GENERATION* IN A ROW WE ARE NOT GETTING A DEDICATED ZELDA GAME. INSTEAD WE ARE GETTING A *LAST GENERATION* PORT TOO LATE. FFS!

Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: aeTIos on October 22, 2016, 11:45:01 am
Valid concerns, @tr1p1ea, although I don't think that it'll be that bad. Nintendo's exclusvie titles have always been a push for their consoles/handhelds, with huge names like Mario, Pokemon, Metroid and the like. I think that the controllers are quite interesting, but they also sort of look uncomfortable to play with for a while.
I think the main make or break for this console/handheld is other functionality. Think stuff like normal tablet functions, internet browsing, watching movies. I also think they'll add Streetpass functionality.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 22, 2016, 04:36:26 pm
To be fair @tr1p1ea , while you have valid points, some will also depend of the game selection Nintendo has to offer when the console comes out. To reply to each of your points:

@1: What do you mean by hipster fad in the case of Nintendo Switch?

@2: IMHO it will depend of the games. If all it comes with is Nintendo Switch Sports, LEGO Something and a bunch of crappy movie-based titles, then yes it will fail badly. However, if the console comes out with plenty of first party titles and have a decent amount announced to be released soon after the release, then I think the console might work better.

@3: I personally like it. What if someone wants to play Mario Kart 8 on the back of his parents car or in the bus? You can't do that with the Wii U because you need to be under 8m away from the console. That's unless the Nintendo Switch has the same problem, which I doubt. Also, there is the fact that when you buy the console, you'll have two gamepads for the price of one. I haven't seen this happen since the NES came out. Two controllers for the price of one, whereas on the XBone and PS4 you only get one and have to spend an extra $80 in order to get a second gamepad.

@4: I agree about that. I hope the Switch is much more powerful than some people claim. I seriously doubt it's worse than the PS Vita, considering the PSVita can only do 480p and has lag when running some titles that just look like early PS3/360 games, yet the Wii U could run Mario Kart 8 with no lag. However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Mario and Zelda on the Playstation 5 and Xbox Scorpio in 5 years, because I think if the Switch fails then Nintendo will exit the console market and simply become a third-party game publisher like Sega did after the Dreamcast failed.

@5: To be fair about that, I think they want the game to sell no matter if people can afford the new console or not. Most early PS4 and Xbox One games did that too. But in this case it will depend of point 2. I seriously hope that this time around we will get another Zelda on this console too, like the Wii with Skyward Sword.


Also @tr1p1ea to reply to your comments on IRC, I think you are confusing the PSP with PS Vita. The PSP never failed at all: It sold 80 millions units. It's the PS Vita that failed (at least, outside Japan)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on October 22, 2016, 06:29:05 pm
Nintendo always try something novel each generation and it always seem to work. They're not like Studio Ghibli where they were on the brink of bankruptcy with each movie, or Microsoft and Sony who seems to more or less always make the same console but with updated CPUs and more features because it works, they want to actually change how the game is played and propose novel ways to play.

Anyway, one thing is sure, they are pretty good at R&D.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 22, 2016, 08:14:20 pm
Quote from: Juju on October 22, 2016, 06:29:05 pm

Anyway, one thing is sure, they are pretty good at C&D.
fixed.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on October 22, 2016, 08:26:56 pm
That too haha.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on October 22, 2016, 10:35:56 pm
OK, thinking about it more I'm starting to warm up to the switch.

Nintendo have always had one thing in their favour and that is of course their games.

I guess the main thing is that you can own all of the phones and tablets in the world, but you wont be able to play Nintendo games on them. This may be their saving grace.

I am super interested in the hardware however.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 22, 2016, 10:53:44 pm
@tr1p1ea also tablet controls are absolute s***. Try speedrunning Super Mario World on a phone emulator without dying more than 6 times in the first castle.

But they need to release good games early.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on October 22, 2016, 10:55:42 pm
Agree, it is annoying playing on a tablet with touch controls.

I wonder if this will be pocket sized tho?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: aeTIos on October 22, 2016, 11:00:58 pm
Someone calculated that the screen will be 6.5 inches, so it's not really pocket sized (well unless you have really large pockets).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on October 22, 2016, 11:05:55 pm
Heh, that is true, part of the reason why Nintendo is still successful is their franchises like Mario and such. Mario is the flagship franchise, so, unless things goes wrong, you'll surely see some sort of Mario game in the launch games. Speaking of which, the list of companies who supports the Switch seems pretty hefty compared to before, guess the CPU and GPU is on par with Nintendo's competitors. Some of them produce games for Xbox and Playstation who seems too CPU-intensive for Nintendo, kinda like the Skyrim we saw in the trailer. That or we're seeing a boom in video game companies.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 23, 2016, 06:34:06 am
Btw the console will not read 3DS and Wii U carts/discs. I seriously hope that there is a way to transfer games over, so that if you already have a disc-based WIi U or 3DS cart-based game installed on your older console, that you can download it for free digitally on the eShop. It would suck if we had to buy the same games twice.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 25, 2016, 08:19:46 am
So this is not related, but Just Dance 2017 has been confirmed for the Wii and Wii U. COnsidering they reprinted some Wii titles a few months ago, it seems like they're not letting the Wii die. It would be funny if Just Dance 2018 came out on the Wii, Wii U and Switch like FIFA 14 did with the PS2, PS3 and PS4. But again, maybe they'll do like Rodea and simply bundle both Wii and Wii U discs together as limited edition.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: GalacticPirate on October 25, 2016, 01:32:18 pm
Well, I'm really hyped by the console. We know that the Switch will be powered by an Nvidia Tegra X2 with Pascal architecture, so it's on par with other 8th-gen consoles (I'm considering Wii=GC= 6th gen and Wii U=very, very late 7th-gen) such as XB1S and PS4Slim (honestly, I hate PS4Pro/XboxScorpio since their power is definitely USELESS since there won't be any Pro/Scorpio-exclusive titles, plus I basically don't like Sony+Microsoft consoles because of being just underpowered PCs with no mouse, no keyboard, a constroller and an HDMI cable) So nevermind, the power shouldn't be a problem. For now a clash has begun between those who predict a success and those who predict a complete fail. I just think we shouildn't try to predict that with only a 3-minute vid. Remember 2010-2011 when everyone was saying 3DS was ready to fail and that PS Vita would be a success ? Today 3DS has sold half as much as the NDS, which is absolutely awesome, and PS Vita has sold even worse than the Wii U :trollface:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on October 25, 2016, 03:18:02 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 25, 2016, 08:19:46 am
So this is not related, but Just Dance 2017 has been confirmed for the Wii and Wii U. COnsidering they reprinted some Wii titles a few months ago, it seems like they're not letting the Wii die. It would be funny if Just Dance 2018 came out on the Wii, Wii U and Switch like FIFA 14 did with the PS2, PS3 and PS4. But again, maybe they'll do like Rodea and simply bundle both Wii and Wii U discs together as limited edition.
inb4 titles come out both on physical discs and on Virtual Console
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 25, 2016, 04:48:36 pm
I am actually curious about how large the game cases will be for the NX. Will they be the same size as PS3 despite the use of a small cart? It would definitively be weird if they included a disc and cart in the same package, though. And yeah it would be funny if a recently-released Wii title came out on the Virtual Console XD.

Also STV the 3DS originally failed, but Nintendo decided to decrease the price from $250 to $170 soon after launch and this, combined with the release of big hits, led to a skyrocketing of sales and the success it is today. I think the 3DS still sold less than the DS by far, though, but it's definitively successful. This is what happened with the Gamecube and what should have happened with the Wii U, but sadly the big expensive gamepad prevented this. Hopefully, the lack of a disc drive makes it easier for Nintendo to drop the price.


I still suspect that once the NX comes out, Nintendo will discontinue the current Wii U bundle, release a firmware update that allows using the console without the big gamepad then release the Wii U with just the pro gamepad or a Wiimote. I hope that if they do that that they don't discontinue online services nor make new versions of the WIi u offline-only like they did with the Wii Mini, though. They say the gamepad production costs are $79, meaning that if it was removed, then they could easily slash the Wii U prices by $50-70.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 15, 2016, 03:15:11 am
If the rumors are true, then it seems like Nintendo has managed to keep the Switch production costs to a minimum by ditching the expensive Wii U gamepad. Apparently it will retail for $329.99 in Canadian dollars, $249.99 USD and 199.99 euros. In comparison, the Wii U launched at $300 USD and $350 CAD. Not bad. Nintendo really needs to keep the prices as low as possible and sell as many softwares as possible. I also hope that this console makes it easy for indie developers to develop games.

I will probably wait a little bit before buying the console, to see if they'll offer a bundle for the same price with a game or something.

http://letsplayvideogames.com/2016/11/report-uk-retailer-game-to-price-nintendo-switch-from-199-99/


It also appears that Wii U has ceased production in Japan and possibly the rest of the world and that everything produced in 2016 has already been shipped to retailers. So the Switch is definitively a Wii U replacement.  On another sad note: It seems that Breath of the Wild will be delayed due to the English localization taking more time than planned: https://arcadegirl64.wordpress.com/2016/11/14/rumor-breath-of-the-wild-will-not-be-released-in-march/
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 10, 2016, 05:34:19 am
Zelda: Breath of the Wild Wii U vs Nintendo Switch comparison (frame rate)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVb42_FThbA
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on December 20, 2016, 11:59:34 pm
Bad news guys, The Nintendo Switch is VERY weak !
It's not powered by the Tegra X2, but by a Tegra X.
...
An underclocked Tegra X.
Even worse, the GPU speed is halved by 2 in portable mode.

https://games.slashdot.org/story/16/12/20/1449205/nintendo-switch-uses-nvidia-tegra-x1-soc-clock-speeds-outed (https://games.slashdot.org/story/16/12/20/1449205/nintendo-switch-uses-nvidia-tegra-x1-soc-clock-speeds-outed)

WHY WHY WHY NINTENDO, THEY HAVE NOT LEARNED NOTHING FROM THE WII U !

Despite this, it's impressive to see Zelda running on such low-end hardware.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 21, 2016, 12:01:17 am
Oh darn... thankfully there's no lag in Zelda but still, I seriously hope that this time, they'll lower the price as a compromise. They can't charge $350-400 for last-gen hardware.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on December 21, 2016, 03:19:43 am
So Nintendo is sticking with the ancient hardware, no 3rd party software sales and short life-span for console business model? Interesting.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 21, 2016, 05:50:12 am
Although to be honest, since the Vita failed, I would like to see JRPG companies move their JRPG releases over to the Switch, since it can also be used as portable console. I am still disappointed at the hardware, though. I guess if this console fails then we'll just have to settle for this in a few years:

(https://img.codewalr.us/zeldassrmx.jpg) (https://codewalr.us/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthevideogamenetwork.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F02%2FNintendo-PS4.png&hash=ba3fe50bf747f3e23629a23b32c662ea)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: GalacticPirate on December 21, 2016, 01:30:49 pm
Are you serious ? I personnaly consider all people who ask for brute hardware force as non-realistic. What do you want ? a PS4 Pro but in a portable console ? Come on guys... --' You won't need all that power. See how the PS4/XB1 have all that power and run on [email protected] most of the time... Having 3 times the Wii U's power is already above what I expected for the Switch, and I'm only waiting for the official announcement from big N...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on December 21, 2016, 01:32:14 pm
heh... developing games for a calculator, not satisfied with hardware of portable console...  (-_(//));


I guess you simply have different expectations for devices that are built especially for gaming... ^^
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on December 21, 2016, 04:27:05 pm
Quote from: STV on December 21, 2016, 01:30:49 pm
Are you serious ? I personnaly consider all people who ask for brute hardware force as non-realistic. What do you want ? a PS4 Pro but in a portable console ? Come on guys... --' You won't need all that power. See how the PS4/XB1 have all that power and run on [email protected] most of the time... Having 3 times the Wii U's power is already above what I expected for the Switch, and I'm only waiting for the official announcement from big N...

The problem is that the Switch will make it even more complicated for developers to make games for it.
Now, they have to handle two different GPU speed (dock or undocked), a 720p screen (most games will probably be stuck at 720p), the CPU, while powerful,
is still behind the Xbox One and its architecture is completely different, meaning devs who targeted the x86_64 will have to rethink their games.
Add to that it's going to have laughable battery life, no VR support, most likely crippled multimedia support, a closed-down environment
and you got yourself a complete failure.

Ever wondered why Bestheda showed off Skyrim on it and not their newer games ?
Because that's how powerful the Switch is : the Nvidia Shield TV (same hardware, better clock speed) is more powerful than Switch, for f***'s sake !

You know what the Switch reminds of ? The Virtual Boy.
For the Virtual boy, it was unclear if it was a portable device (it wasn't as it was hugely unpratical) or a home device. (also bad at it and very limited graphics)
Same for the Switch : it's unclear if it's a portable device (bad battery life, crippled media capability) or a home device. (also bad at it since a PS4/XBONE is more powerful than the Switch and prces are now dropping off for both devices)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 21, 2016, 05:43:07 pm
How did you find out how long the battery life would be?
Title: Nintendo Switch's future - How it will happen
Post by: gameblabla on December 21, 2016, 06:00:04 pm
Ars Technica leaked the technical specs of the Nintendo Switch and it's not looking good...
The only thing that could have saved it is no more...
How Nintendo advertises it, very few people will fall into that scenario.
Add to that awful battery life, and we got a device that's for nobody.

Here's how i think it will happen :
Nintendo Switch gets released on March 2017 at 200$ dollars, selling from 2 to 3 millions the first month it launched.
It comes with the next Mario, some Wii U ports as well as some Ubisoft/Bestheda games for it.
However, gamers who own the device are quick to point out how disappointing the games look on an HDTV :
games are stuck at 720p and look awful on 1080p/4k Television.

In addition to that, games suffers from horrible frame-rate drops when the device is undocked.
They are also quick to realize the Switch has a bad battery and it's not practical as a portable device.
The media capabilities are limited and the environment is very closed, making very hard to watch movies easily.
Streaming on the device is disappointing and they are stuck with Netflix at 1080p, no 4K available.
Nintendo also crippled the internal browser so gamers can't play HTML5 games with sound.

While they do enjoy Nintendo games on the Switch, owners are less than pleased with third-party games.
And for a good reason : None of them had enough time to make a decent game for it.
There's also few indie games at launch as Nintendo are reluctant to send development devices to them.
Thus at launch, it suffers from a lack of games from third-parties.

However, thanks to a low price (200$), it still manages to sell well and Nintendo thinks it will end up being a long-term sucess.
... But Sony and Microsoft won't stay here doing nothing while watching seeing their market share go down.
The PS4 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LRLJV28/ref=s9_acsd_top_hd_bw_b710S3X_c_x_w/166-3244062-4368528?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-8&pf_rd_r=8GJMCM16834MB07A78RX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=6ce5359a-785d-51d7-aaaf-6f9198bed27f&pf_rd_i=6427814011) and Xbox One S (https://www.amazon.com/Xbox-One-500GB-Console-Battlefield-Bundle/dp/B01L1Y0TCC/ref=sr_1_2/166-3244062-4368528?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1482342028&sr=1-2&keywords=Xbox+One) were already inexpensive a few months ago (230$ and 250$) and on top of that, they got a huge library of games.
Both will answer by further dropping prices on both devices, while Microsoft will introduce this late year the even more powerful Xbox Scorpion.

People, when looking at what devices they should buy, will realise it's more interesting to buy a PS4 or Xbone than it is to buy a Switch.
On top of that, they already got all their friends on PS Live and Xbox Live and they won't be stuck with the crappy Miiverse which is disconnected from the web. (not to mention the games and 4k videos)
Thus, most of them end up buying the PS4 and Xbox One upon inspection.

A year later, Switch ends up selling much more slowly than anticipated and while the new Zelda helped selling more devices,
only hardcore fans ended up buying it and the Switch sales does not translate into third-party software sales.
AAA developers are already complaining about the lack of power to the device and how poorly the Switch version sold.
Youtube video comparaison often show the Switch version lacking behind even the PS4 or Xbox One, much like the Wii U.
Indie devs starts releasing games for it and they also complain about the tedious approval process, which has not changed much.

To some, Switch's future already becomes predicable.
Even after Nintendo releases games after games, this again does not translate into better third-party sales and Nintendo's strict policies do not help.
Nintendo, as stubborn as ever, refuses to change any of their policies.
2 years after launch, the Switch somehow became a living ghost and Nintendo heavily drops prices on them and bundling it with Wiisports 2 (lol) and a Mario game.
They also upgraded the specs a bit and they put a bigger battery in it.
This helped selling more devices but this brings Nintendo further in debt, because it does not make a profit on them.
The changes are also too little, too late and people still perceive it as a toy, not to mention Nintendo still cracks down on Youtube videos it does not approve.
Already, most big names Youtube stopped covering Nintendo games, as it became too troublesome to talk about it.

Meanwhile, Sony and Microsoft keeps improving their devices by making VR yet even more cheap than before and bringing it to the masses.

The switch's semi-failure pushed Nintendo to revise their plans about the new 3DS and they made the decision to expand support for it,
in a much-like Apple II situation.

5 years after the Switch, Switch sold less than expected : 25 millions rather than the 100 millions they expected it would sell.
On top of that, they lost tons of money and it sold very slowly.
At that point, it has several choices :
Make another device that is likely to fail, become a third-party developer, become a licensing company and stop both software and hardware dev or close the doors.

THE END

Do you think i made any mistakes ? Do you think it will happen ?
Or maybe Nintendo will become more open and start to realize their mistakes ?
Let me know in the comments below
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch's future - How it will happen
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 21, 2016, 06:30:55 pm
Nice post even if I am not as pessimistic about the Switch, but shouldn't this go in the other thread? :P
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch's future - How it will happen
Post by: gameblabla on December 21, 2016, 06:48:13 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on December 21, 2016, 06:30:55 pm
Nice post even if I am not as pessimistic about the Switch, but shouldn't this go in the other thread? :P

Thanks DJ.
To be fair, it is kind of predictable as Nintendo is really stubborn and don't easily bow down to pressure
from outsiders.
They only do when their consoles fail but this might take 2 consoles failures before they realize they are in the wrong.
The Wii was the exception and in retroperctive, it had really few third-parties that were interesting.
I even dared to say this was when Nintendo started to become egocentric and would only design devices for themselves.
(The Wii U with the slow cpu as to not generate 'noise' or the 3D in the 3DS series that's not very popular)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: GalacticPirate on December 21, 2016, 06:59:52 pm
OK, but first, 720p will never happen, since all Wii U games support at minimum [email protected] Next, VR is just a completely useless feature. And finally, I don't see the problem of a Switch being roughly on par with the XB1's power... Just see the PS4 Pro. Sony advertised an awesome 4K device while that's just crappy upscaled 1080p with an even more crappy framerate on certain games. If a real gamer wants to play a random third-party non-Nintendo game, they'll buy a gamer PC which will handle these games much better than XB/PS thingies will ever do. And if they wanna play good Nintendo titles they'll buy a Switch. How do youy explain the fact that EA (for ex.) still releases FIFA for XBOX360 and PS3 and not for Wii U while the Wii U is more powerful than these ? That's just 100% pure laziness.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 21, 2016, 07:05:49 pm
On a side note, on the PS4 I get lag in Star Ocean 5, even though it's a port of a PS3 game with enhanced graphics. Just because a console has inferior specs doesn't mean the games will suffer. Sometimes, the developers are also to blame, especially with PC games getting ported to consoles or vice-versa, which often results into poor performance.

The main issue is that with a low-end console, third-party support will be minimal. On the other hand, with the Vita being almost dead and the 3DS most likely being replaced by the switch in long terms, this Nintendo console will most likely have the highest amount of ATLUS and Square-Enix games since the SNES era. No, we won't get Madden NFL 2018, no we won't get Call of Duty and no we won't get GTA6, but do Nintendo fans really want to buy a Nintendo console primarily to play those mass-produced third-party titles?


The reason why EA no longer releases Wii U sports games is because of poor sales, not performance. They took time to add gamepad interactivity in FIFA 13 and make it superior, but it sold so poorly that this was the last FIFA game for the Wii U. The Wii, which sold very well, had the same problem with Madden, NHL and NBA games, same with the Gamecube. The only reason why FIFA 15 was made for the Wii is because the Wii is so cheap that in third-world countries they can now afford it and play their national sport.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on December 21, 2016, 07:34:55 pm
Quote from: STV on December 21, 2016, 06:59:52 pm
Just see the PS4 Pro. Sony advertised an awesome 4K device while that's just crappy upscaled 1080p with an even more crappy framerate on certain games.

Lol, it's not a crappy upscaler, thankfully. They doubled the number of gpu cores and its clock speed so it does try to render at true 4k.
Which is why it slowdowns on some games. True, Sony could have handle it better.
But even in games like FF15, the improvement is noticeable even on an 1080p TV.

QuoteAnd if they wanna play good Nintendo titles they'll buy a Switch

That's the issue : why even bother with the switch which is nothing special when they could just port their games over to PCs and PS4 ?
Of course, Nintendo fans will buy the switch for nintendo games but we have seen the results with the Wii U.

Quote from: STV on December 21, 2016, 06:59:52 pmHow do youy explain the fact that EA (for ex.) still releases FIFA for XBOX360 and PS3 and not for Wii U while the Wii U is more powerful than these ? That's just 100% pure laziness.

That's false STV... The CPU is very weak, even more so than the 360 and PS3.
Even Nintendo knew this at launch but they dismissed it because they wanted to keep the device as silent as possible.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-secret-developers-wii-u-the-inside-story (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-secret-developers-wii-u-the-inside-story)

True, they could have make use of GPGPU to compensate for the lack of power of the CPU.
(The GPU inside the Wii U is actually pretty decent. which is why Xenoblade looks great)
But really, they said the Wii U sales were abyssal.
So that's why they have not even bothered.

And Assasin's Creed was originally running much more slowly than it eventually did.
In the end, developing for the Wii U was too costly and Ubisoft dropped the Wii U. (Bestheda never developed a game for it lol)

QuoteHow did you find out how long the battery life would be?

It was from an unofficial source.
But i admit i do not know the truth. (It was i think 3 hours in gaming, high brightness, sound maximum)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 22, 2016, 06:41:52 am
Something different: I wonder what will be the overall difficulty of the first Nintendo Switch Mario game? Because during the DS and early Wii/3DS era, I noticed that Mario games suddenly became much easier. You could get all three big coins easily at first and you often ended up with 99 lives and never dropping under that. However, when Super Mario Galaxy 2 came out, they ramped up the difficulty considerably. In NSMBU and Super Mario 3D World, while you might end up with an high life count, I always find myself having to retry each level about 8 times in the later worlds sometimes. Also in NSMBU the items are much more sparse later in the game and the mini games are harder. I am definitively curious if that harder game trend will continue with the Switch. Back in the early days, Mario games were usually kinda challenging due to how rare 1-up shrooms were, although SMB3 was kinda easy after a while. For Mario 64 it's hard to tell because the camera was so bad.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on December 22, 2016, 07:32:30 am
The thing is, Nintendo does not aim for the biggest, fanciest hardware ever. They prefer to innovate and make up new ways of playing that works rather than cater to hardcore gamers and release basically the same console over and over. Nintendo sells to the family and casual gamers. Of course, fancier games that need fancier hardware will find what they want at Microsoft and Sony, but the thing to understand, you don't need that fancy stuff for quite a few cases and this is where Nintendo steps in. That's the force of Nintendo, simple games like Mario for the whole family, like PlayStation is for gamers and Microsoft is for, uh, researchers?

But still, from what I saw on Jimmy Fallon's late night show (https://youtube.com/watch?v=7TJ7IUNWGl4), the new Zelda looks pretty good. And I remember that list of developers who approved of the Switch that was twice bigger than the Wii U's, even some developers who don't normally develop on Nintendo consoles, like Bethseda, leading to speculation we'd probably have a remake of Skyrim? Well, that would be cool. Well, that's the sign for me the Switch will probably fare at least rather good if this much companies want to develop on it, but, as always, let's see when it'll be released.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 22, 2016, 08:19:03 am
The issue with the Xbox One and PS4 though is that they're pretty much overpriced gaming computers for the most part, since nowadays people rarely play FPSes and such games together in the same home. This is why the Xbox One could possibly be my final non-Nintendo console purchase. I mean, if you notice:

-Most PS3/PS4 JRPGs now come out on Steam, so the argument about PC lacking JRPGs is now invalid
-Most PS4/XB1 games are also available for PC, unless you absolutely want Forza, Gran Turismo and Halo.
-While an high end PC is twice as much as the latest Xbox One or PS4, you can upgrade it for cheaper and you just need one PC rather than two consoles to get the games you want.

Nintendo consoles, on the other hand, tend to always have unique stuff. Of course, that might just be my opinion, which changed over time. I used to think it's cheaper to buy both the PS3 and Xbox 360 rather than a PC for gaming, because they had way more unique titles than now, but with Steam around that no longer seems to the the case as much. So yeah, unless I cave in to peer pressure, I think instead of buying the PS5 and Xbox Scorpio that I might end up never using much, I'll settle for a brand new PC.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2017, 12:40:12 am
Walmart Canada lists the Switch at $400 CAD, which is roughly $300 USD at launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on January 13, 2017, 03:10:23 am
300$ ?! Ouch !
You can snag a PS4 for much less than that with a game.
For more 100$, you get some Nintendo games (maybe, don't know the launch games) and lousy specs.
On top of that, they remain as closed as ever and they don't support streaming, like the PS4 does.

The future looks bleak for s***endo
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on January 13, 2017, 08:48:09 am
Pokemon Run and Super Mario Go: collect all 1000 Toads (https://codewalr.us/walrusirc/smileys/trollface.gif)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on January 13, 2017, 08:58:02 am
Who's hyped for March 3rd? Zelda is a launch title!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw47_q9wbBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7s3UB_8dFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kcdRBHM7kM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f98ZwgzYyig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKlRN2YpxRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ1SbHLXlH8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ4ia1-1CPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN4w5D2tzME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJuiTw6nk7A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POsTR5iy_TI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuC4YLLkqME

sorry for the long post of greatness have a walrii

:walrii:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: aeTIos on January 13, 2017, 11:54:35 am
I'm disappointed by the price. I was expecting 250ish, not 330.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2017, 12:22:36 pm
I was not planning to get it at launch but I will definitively wait for a console+game bundle or promotion. It looks promising, though.


EDIT: Note that the launch price is roughly comparable with the Wii and Wii U. In Canada the exchange rate declined sharply since the Wii U came out, though, which is why the price is similar to the Xbox One and PS4 launch prices. The games lineup seems promising, though. As for the many remasters/rereleases I expected it, since many people would probably have requested a port of MK8 anyway, but I hope cross-play is implemented.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: GalacticPirate on January 14, 2017, 06:16:33 pm
@gameblabla do you want to compare with the XBox One launching price ?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on January 14, 2017, 06:48:06 pm
Quote from: STV on January 14, 2017, 06:16:33 pm
@gameblabla do you want to compare with the XBox One launching price ?

@STV, we can talk about the launching price of the Xbox One at any time.
However, this does not matter because :

Yes, it was very pricey at 500$ but now it's half the price of that, with tons of games. (Even more so for the PS4 !)
Also, Nintendo cracking down on youtube videos is really starting to show their ugly head :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dih3WswexHs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dih3WswexHs)

Angry Joe, a huge youtuber, starts his Nintendo switch reaction by complaining about Nintendo's policy regarding youtube videos for 2 minutes !
(out of 16 minutes)
Sony with its PS4, is the complete opposite in comparison. It even has a Share button unlike Nintendo's switch, goddammit !

The Switch itself is not the only issue : it's also Nintendo themselves who are constantly shooting themselves in the foot
with things like these. (and the fact that they banned Binding of Isaac for a long time)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Adriweb on January 14, 2017, 06:59:34 pm
No idea if it's presented in a biased way, but I've seen this on Reddit's front page:
(https://i.imgur.com/DFAEXzU.png)

But anyway
> 2017
> consoles
> lolz
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 14, 2017, 07:07:31 pm
The Xbox one price dropped quite fast too, unlike the Wii U. Let's hope the Switch does the same as Xbox
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on January 14, 2017, 07:16:24 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 14, 2017, 07:07:31 pm
The Xbox one price dropped quite fast too, unlike the Wii U. Let's hope the Switch does the same as Xbox

I doubt this will ever happen : Nintendo themselves said to investors that unlike the Wii U,
it's not going to be sold at loss.
So if the console ends up selling behind expectations, they will most likely not try to drop the price.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: GalacticPirate on January 15, 2017, 03:40:43 pm
@gameblabla lol, the Switch has a Capture/Share button for screenshots and vids :p
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on January 15, 2017, 04:48:20 pm
Quote from: STV on January 15, 2017, 03:40:43 pm
@gameblabla lol, the Switch has a Capture/Share button for screenshots and vids :p

Oops, that's true, i forgot that detail.

But alas this might not have been there. Why ?
Because videos will have to go through Nintendo's approval on Youtube and youtubers won't be able to earn any money
from their videos.
Plus they might even put a copyright strike on your video like they did with AngryJoe and numerous youtubers because why not ?

When you want to play a game and share your fun with other people, the least you want is to get copyright threats from Nintendo.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 15, 2017, 04:54:07 pm
If I was Google, I would just remove and censor all Nintendo-related results from their search engine as a protest against their abusive copyright demands until Nintendo caves in and change their mind.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 16, 2017, 06:30:05 am
So apparently, the Switch will get a Pokémon game in the Pokémon Sun generation. If it plays like Pokémon Moon and X/Y, then this will be the first ever Pokémon game from the main series to be released on an actual game console. Hopefully it's not just another spinoff like Pokémon Stadium or Snap, although I would be fine if it was like Gale of Darkness or Colosseum, since that would still be a Pokémon RPG for an home console.


So after 20 years, Pokémon fans might finally be getting what they have been waiting for.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on January 16, 2017, 10:53:23 am
how the f*** do you get 270$ for the GameCube?  :crazy:
you get them for 60€ on amazon and ebay  :ninja:

Edit: There will be an iphone app for parents to restrict the usage of the switch console and get statistics about its usage.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 16, 2017, 05:30:04 pm
The 2016 price is the original launch price after inflation. Also yeah in Quebec it launched at close to $300 but it sold so poorly that they slashed the price to $140 after just a year.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 01, 2017, 10:34:52 pm
Online gameplay will be paid like Xbox Live and PS Plus on the Switch, although about 2.5x cheaper and the monthly free game will only be keepable for the month, not forever like on other consoles. The service will be free until Fall 2017, tho.

I'm sad but it was kinda expected. At least Nintendo still makes games that are offline co-op friendly so we might not miss that much
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on February 02, 2017, 08:48:39 pm
The Switch is a month out and we don't really know a lot about it.

Sucks that you get a game for a month ... kind of like a rental service so I suppose if they call it that then it will be ok with customers.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 02, 2017, 09:37:42 pm
I bet most free games willbe indie, Lego, Adventure Time and old games like on the Xbone, tho
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: JosJuice on February 02, 2017, 09:54:32 pm
I think they said that the free games will be NES and SNES games.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 03, 2017, 12:30:00 am
Ah I see. I got or played many of them on the original console so yeah :P. Also they showed the Switch and WIi U gamepads side by side and I'm glad the Switch one is much smaller while still having the same screen width. I hope it's true when they say that the console is much more powerful than the Wii U, though.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on February 06, 2017, 11:47:44 am
I pretty much hate the "rent a game" model...
I can imagine its really cool to try a game out at first but there should still be a second "permanent buy" option, else the entire console is worthless once they shut down their game stores...  :P
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 06, 2017, 05:25:13 pm
I also dislike digital purchases. I still hope some company releases physical versions of some of the lower-end titles, even if in limited run. It sucks when you lose everything due to the online service being discontinued.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on February 07, 2017, 04:13:12 pm
jup. I fear in future there wont be any "retro gamers" as the hardware would be easy to simulate but the software will be missing, for both online-games and rent-a-game models... :/
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 07, 2017, 08:36:51 pm
Yeah it already happened with various MMORPGs. The servers shut down and they are now unplayable. Ys Online comes to mind. Granted, there are at least very big companies like Steam that are likely to stay around in the long terms, but who knows what can happen? After all, even Walmart had some financial issues a few years ago and had to close down stores.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on February 08, 2017, 10:37:14 am
exactly. The current path will lead to online-stores only for games, not even having a "play offline" mode. And once the servers shut down in far future, all the old gamess will be worthless//useless as the server-sided software will be lost forever.  :'(
What good is a WorldOfTanks client without a server to play on...  :-\
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 09, 2017, 06:47:56 am
Yeah it reminds me of Battleborn. I wish there weren't copyright issues about archiving such old games nor physical issues about running alternate servers for all games that were previously shut down.


That said, many old servers were ran by third-parties. For example, Battle.net 1.0 servers are provided by AT&T and Nintendo Wii/DS was provided by Gamespy Arcade. The day AT&T goes under or decides to pull the plug from their servers, Starcraft Anthology, Warcraft II BNE and Warcraft III will become offline-only, just like Wii/DS games when Gamespy was shut down. Original Xbox games also suffered from the same fate, but for a different reasons: Keeping the old Xbox Live running forced Microsoft to keep a 100 friends limit in place for Xbox 360, which they wanted to remove. I doubt Wii U eshop will close down anytime soon unless it's ran by a third-party company.

I'm still hoping that Limited Run Games will be able to reach an agreement with Nintendo to release physical versions of niche games.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on February 09, 2017, 09:52:59 am
jup, no more retro games for the next generation...  :-\
the financial aspect for third partie run servers as well as the administrative stuff is a big problem, making many of the third party admins growi tired//unwilling to continue their services, which then means the end for more and more old game servers...

there were predictions that there would be no more oldtimer cars from the current generation of cars as the electronic parts would fail for sure, but I think the problem about the gaming world is much more serious...  :ninja:  :'(
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 09, 2017, 08:12:39 pm
To be fair, we will at least have the Wii U and other consoles becoming retro in a decade or so. By then I hope at least that they will find a way to bring back the other digital games so that they are preserved. I still miss some of the Videoway games
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on February 09, 2017, 10:46:20 pm
Are those with a Wii U going to get a Switch for Zelda or just the Wii U version of the game instead?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 09, 2017, 11:08:06 pm
@tr1p1ea I'm still planning to get both versions for the following reasons: The Wii U version is gonna be more rare/valuable in the long run, while the game experience will be superior on the Switch. I'm probably getting the Wii U version first, though, since it's gonna take a few months before I get the new console.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on February 09, 2017, 11:53:45 pm
Doesn't sound like a bad strategy :).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on February 10, 2017, 12:00:12 am
Do you plan to port the game to the CE? :trollface:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 03, 2017, 04:41:25 am
Only a few minutes in North America for the Switch and Zelda! Who's getting it? I'm planning to get mine on the next https://www.laplanquejeuxvideo.net/ restock, as well as the Switch version of Zelda, but I'm getting the Wii U version of Zelda tomorrow (unless I can't go to Quebec). Does anyone remember if the Switch version is mirrored like the Wii version of Twilight Princess?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on March 03, 2017, 05:18:46 am
It's been out here for 16 hours although I'm not sure what the take-up is.

I will be waiting a little bit before getting mine to ensure I can get everything I want at the same time :).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 03, 2017, 09:06:49 pm
I wonder if they'll release a game bundle. It would definitively be nice later.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on March 03, 2017, 10:16:18 pm
I'm not the kind of people who absolutely want to buy the console day one (I have no money for that anyway :P), but I'd definitely buy Breath of the Wild for Wii U. As I heard, it's better than Ocarina of Time.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 03, 2017, 11:41:30 pm
http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/03/02/nintendo-switch-cartridges-taste-terrible

Don't add Switch carts to your diet.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Sorunome on March 03, 2017, 11:45:01 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on March 03, 2017, 11:41:30 pm
http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/03/02/nintendo-switch-cartridges-taste-terrible

Don't add Switch carts to your diet.

"According to an early '90s U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission report, as spotted by Polygon, Denatonium Benzoate is an aversive agent that has been used in animal repellents, nail biting deterrents, and as flavoring in placebo medicine."
So that is why those taste horrible
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on March 03, 2017, 11:45:58 pm
Wow, I can't wait to lick my Nintendoes.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 04, 2017, 02:45:44 am
I got my Switch and the Switch version of Zelda reserved for the next few restocks (the third batch they'll get since the 2nd they're about to get only has three units). Juju, get ready for Macfly when this happens :P (unless their cloakroom where we can put or winter clothes is closed on that day, but then there's Meltdown or LvlOp :P).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on March 04, 2017, 08:02:42 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on March 03, 2017, 11:41:30 pm
http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/03/02/nintendo-switch-cartridges-taste-terrible
Don't add Switch carts to your diet.

Dang, i was planning on putting some in my ass.
f*** you nintendo !
Thanks for the warning
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 04, 2017, 09:20:17 pm
That sounded like a nasty idea <_<

But more seriously I heard that the dev kits were not released yet and that there's not much info about them at the time and that this was why Limited Run Games had not announced anything regarding Switch releases. I would definitively like to get I am Setsuna and a few other digital games on physical mediums.

Also I wonder if the Switch is region-locked? I forgot
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Sorunome on March 04, 2017, 09:41:11 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on March 04, 2017, 09:20:17 pm
Also I wonder if the Switch is region-locked? I forgot
IIRC it's completally region free
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 04, 2017, 09:43:46 pm
Ok. I heard that for the PS4 it depends of the game and that the Wii U was locked. I would like to get some of the Japanese releases  if any interests me (the ones without much text)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DarkestEx on March 04, 2017, 10:57:29 pm
I like the Switch. I think it is a great improvement over the Nintendo Wii U.
However, I can't imagine how they were able to balance heat output (and therefore battery life), performance and price right. I think they did their best though.
It costs about 380-400€ here. Also it looks fairily small. Also I like a lot that it is using flash cartridges, so you could buy second hand games (like what I do). I never bought a new game except for the two that were bundeled with my XBox 360 which is and will always be my favorite game console.
I also own a Gameboy Advance and a Gameboy Color as well as a Windows CE based, handheld emulator for the NES.
My absolute favorite system to play on is clearly my Commodore 64, followed by the XBox 360, followed by the Wii and the handhelds / calculators, followed by my PC and on the last place my phone.
But it must be noted, I don't really play much at all.

Am I getting a Switch - no. It is too expensive and the games are all copies of what we have all seen so far. There may be exceptions but no. My brother owns a Wii and I think that is enough TV-connected Nintendo for me, since it all really just repeats.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 04, 2017, 11:22:13 pm
Btw, I like how the right joystick is lower. In Zelda  Wii U the  camera joystick is too high, which is exacerbated by the gamepad being so huge.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: ordelore on March 05, 2017, 08:38:36 pm
I bought one at the midnight release, and I should sit down to do the full review later. Here are my first impressions after this first weekend with the system.
1) Very sleek. The console just -feels- great in my hand in portable mode, and the Joy-Cons are tactile enough to the point where I don't feel like I'm holding glossy plastic.
2) Not very heavy. I have tablets that weigh more than this system, and do much less. Similarly, the heat output is almost non-existent after a full 2-hour session of Zelda.
3) I can't make a judgement on the battery life, since I've only been playing at home, but a friend had his last for 4 hours while playing Zelda and having the brightness at a minimum and wireless features turned off.
4) The performance issues in Zelda only pop up in spots that even dedicated PCs would slow down at.
5) The tablet's screen looks absolutely astounding. The 720p resolution coupled with a smaller screen leads to an incredibly high pixel density that leads to very crisp corners.
6) The included controller feels very ergonomic, much better than I expected, and I don't feel an immediate need to get a Pro Controller.
I only have BoTW, so my reactions are limited to that game
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: gameblabla on March 05, 2017, 08:48:51 pm
I can't see myself buying a 300€ video game console where the killer app is available on the Wii U, with a combined price of lower.
Plus, all the games at launch were not that impressive.
I guess you can thank Nintendo for being paranoid (yet again) and not sending the devkits to indies before launch.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 05, 2017, 09:30:41 pm
Yeah IMHO they shot themselves in the foot by waiting so long to send the dev kits.  Now they only have 1 physical exclusive, although I can assume that Zelda will help too since they probably discontinued Wii U production and people who don't have a Wii U will get the smaller Switch instead .

I'm looking forward for Xenoblade 2, Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (I won't buy it ifnit doesn't include the DLC's)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on March 05, 2017, 10:12:09 pm
I bought Zelda on Wii U and it is very impressive so far. The performance issues that people were going on about are minuscule imo.

That being said if it runs/looks even better on Switch then that is awesome.

However, it is still the 3rd Nintendo console that has had with a last-gen Zelda port ... ! The game is awesome but I imagine the dev cycle they are in it might take them 3-5 years to make another one, which would leave them in the exact same position with their next console!

I will be getting myself a Switch very shortly however, good to see that people are enjoying the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Hayleia on March 06, 2017, 09:26:08 am
Quote from: gameblabla on March 05, 2017, 08:48:51 pm
I can't see myself buying a 300€ video game console where the killer app is available on the Wii U, with a combined price of lower.
Plus, all the games at launch were not that impressive.
I guess you can thank Nintendo for being paranoid (yet again) and not sending the devkits to indies before launch.

This exactly. I'm actually trying to see if I can't get my Wii U back (yeah, I got one at some point lol) because now that I think of it, even if it had to cheat by counting GC and Wii games, it did have a few interesting games. If the Switch doesn't get more Switch-exclusive games than the Wii U got, then it won't have anything since it doesn't have any kind of retro compatibility.

edit
Note, I know it's just out so of course it doesn't have 100 games already. I'm just saying that the Wii U had the advantage of the retro compatibility and that I'm waiting to see if the Switch will manage to be worth it without this advantage.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 06, 2017, 02:25:50 pm
It has 100+ games in development for 2017, but how many are physical releases and how many are exclusives?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 06, 2017, 04:33:09 pm
so it's not worth buying yet, but might be once more games are released? :)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: ::CMG (UTOPIA):: on March 06, 2017, 06:06:40 pm
Just a head's up for those that are interested in this thing, these are the issues people have been having

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=madYU5fZTpI
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 06, 2017, 10:36:10 pm
Strange reports about the switch console:

The Switch console seems to TASTE terrible if you lick it, which is probably good, so children won't try to swallow it.  <_<

U can't charge ur switch on a macbook over usb-c as the switch's battery will be discharged and the macbook will get charged instead :trollface:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on March 06, 2017, 10:46:55 pm
SO ITS A PORTABLE USB CHARGER AS WELL?!

It has everything! :).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 06, 2017, 10:48:48 pm
it only is for macbooks :trollface:
for any other device there were no such reports :)
looks like the macbook is the onls one even more powerhungry than the switch ;)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 07, 2017, 03:32:31 am
Yeah I heard that there were some issues. I hope it's not widespread. I'm gonna make sure that there's a warranty or a way to send the console to Nintendo for free if there is when I get it. The PS3 and Xbox 360 had serious problems when they launched too and Microsoft had to launch a special recall program as a result. My main worry, though, is if removing the Switch tablet from the dock scratches the screen. I bet we will be told to just buy a screen protector <_<


Also, here's a teardown article/video http://www.polygon.com/nintendo-switch/2017/3/5/14821950/nintendo-switch-tear-down-video

Some people thinks that this console is kinda like the 3DS successor in some ways, rather than the Wii U. Kinda like how the Virtual Boy was not the SNES successor. I'm thinking that Nintendo will eventually exit the home console market and focus on portable consoles, but probably try to continue allowing to play their future portable consoles on TV if the demand is high enough.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Hayleia on March 07, 2017, 05:51:24 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on March 06, 2017, 02:25:50 pm
It has 100+ games in development for 2017, but how many are physical releases and how many are exclusives?
Quote from: p2 on March 06, 2017, 04:33:09 pm
so it's not worth buying yet, but might be once more games are released? :)
Both of you missed an important point. These games also need to be interesting :P
But yeah, I'd say that at least for now, it isn't worth buying at all. We'll see what comes next.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: JosJuice on March 07, 2017, 08:58:10 am
Quote from: p2 on March 06, 2017, 10:36:10 pm
The Switch console seems to TASTE terrible if you lick it, which is probably good, so children won't try to swallow it.  <_<

That's for the cartridges, not the console. Swallowing the whole console would probably be impossible even if you tried :)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 07, 2017, 08:59:38 am
uh yeah right I'm sorry ^^
I don't have my own one so I don't really know that much about it, thought the articles were talking about the big thingy itself ^^


Edit:

I don't want to be too negative about this, but the first reports are coming in:
- freezing screens and making strange sounds
- stuck mechanical components
- terrible scratches on screen
- screen flickering (but no full failures yet)

looks like you should DEFINITELY get a screen protector to avoid scratches...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 07, 2017, 03:15:58 pm
Yeah that's scary. Thankfully the screen protectors don't cost too much it seems, so that's good. But for the rest, I'm definitively keeping my receipt nearby.

Also wut https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/how-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild-was-almost-instantly-emulated-for-pc?utm_source=mbfb
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 07, 2017, 03:26:38 pm
wow, really nice job!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: ordelore on March 08, 2017, 12:21:57 am
My experience has been that common sense when taking care of your Switch (And any electronic device) will lengthen its usability. I wonder how many people are just dropping the tablet into the dock instead of placing it more gently. Also, the Joy-Cons absolutely should not be forced out of the rail, just press the button and it comes out easy enough.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 08, 2017, 08:54:11 am
well there's been a LetsPlay video of it where they got stuck for BOTH players at the same time... (ouch)
Also yes, the reports about scratches on the screen were from putting it into the dock and pulling it back out ^^
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: xMarminq_ on March 08, 2017, 11:30:54 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb-srOfRqNc
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: _iPhoenix_ on March 09, 2017, 12:08:18 am
Yeah, I saw that. It appears that the entire thing is made of plastic, which scratches easily. I bet there's a few guys at Nintendo going  :banghead: 
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 09, 2017, 12:17:11 am
The main issue with scratches and stuff is that a lot of kids will be playing this console.

Technical issues aside, I wonder if they're still planning to make a Pokémon game for the Switch? A real Pokémon game, not a spinoff, playable on TV, would be amazing.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 09, 2017, 12:21:26 am
it appears that the right hand controlelr thingy causes more connection problems because for that one the antenna is built in right next to a fat metal block//shielding from another component which partially blocks the signal (nintendo wtf) and soldering a little cable as an extra antenna inside it but bending it downwards instead of upwards (towards the metal thingy) fixes that issue. The same problem doe NOT exist for the left hand controller thingy.

I get the feeling the Nintendo Switch is a really nice machine but they pruduce them too cheap (cheap materials) and should have put much more time/money into optimizing their planned product before releasing it (clumsy stuff).

I'll stick to my Gamecube...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 09, 2017, 12:30:24 am
I would be surprised if Nintendo went with cheap material on purpose, unless they decided to do it to ensure they can slash the console price later on when it starts selling less, which they couldn't do with the Wii. Newer Nintendo consoles have been notorious for being durable. I'm thinking that insufficient testing has been the problem there.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: _iPhoenix_ on March 09, 2017, 12:47:28 am
Quote from: p2 on March 07, 2017, 08:59:38 am
looks like you should DEFINITELY get a screen protector to avoid scratches...

Yeah, a screen protector from Nintendo that is more expensive then the switch itself...

Quote from: JosJuice on March 07, 2017, 08:58:10 am
That's for the cartridges, not the console. Swallowing the whole console would probably be impossible even if you tried :)

Challenge accepted... (jk I don't have one)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 09, 2017, 02:58:03 am
The screen protector is actually $10 (in Canadian dollars) at EB Games. It's from Biogenic, like most other accessories, but a smartphone screen protector costs $25 in comparison.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 10, 2017, 04:14:49 pm
NSFW CONTENT
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pr0n site statistics were a rather good indicator for video game success in the past.
These are the numbers for the Nintendo Switch:

15% declione in pr0n traffic (Youpr0n)
pr0n searches for "Bowser" went up by 23% (what the f***...)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 10, 2017, 05:31:49 pm
What the hell? O.O
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 11, 2017, 10:30:02 am
well usually u can see if the trop of pr0n site usage is 10, 20 or even 30%, which then tells you on the first day already, how successfull the game//console will be.
Som of the guys doing the ongoing predictions are also said to use those statistics as well btw ;)

But yeah the second one is really weird.....  :ninja:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 11, 2017, 06:53:57 pm
Nintendo console releases affecting pr0n traffic is a little creepy, though >.<
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 11, 2017, 07:59:12 pm
Well there were such statistics for msot releases, like for GTA V, battlefield, Far Cry 3, ...
This one was Pokemon Go :trollface:
(https://img.ourl.ca/7860e290e5770ae5.png)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 11, 2017, 08:11:20 pm
Why does pr0n traffic fluctuates so much in regular pattern? O.O

Also I bet it would go down during big releases much more if it wasn't for all the internet users who are curious if Zelda, Mario, Bomberman or the Switch itself was rule 34'd :P
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 11, 2017, 08:35:16 pm
yeah that's likely to be true xD
But still half of the intenet is pr0n, and since there are a couple of huuuuge sites for it, their ststistics pretty much sum up the "average" internet usage ;)
It's super creepy to think about it, but pr0n statistics say a lot about a country :ninja:
(most viewed category by country and stuff like that, really weird but also surprising) xD
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on March 12, 2017, 06:54:09 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on March 11, 2017, 08:11:20 pm
Why does pr0n traffic fluctuates so much in regular pattern? O.O
A lot of search terms fluctuates like this, it's kinda weird.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 12, 2017, 06:58:56 am
I guess those fluctuations are:
- main pr0n watching time for merica
- main pr0n watching time for europe
- main pr0n watching time for asia

if u want really funny fluctuations look for COOKIES in google search statistics, it skyrocks ever time when christmas is close xD
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Juju on March 12, 2017, 09:01:13 am
Or Christmas songs, the graph for Mariah Carey's All I Want For Christmas Is You (https://i.imgur.com/J4RxHub.png) is being a meme on Christmas.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 12, 2017, 04:30:32 pm
Actually I checked again and I noticed the timestamps are hours, so the fluctuations  are finally people being asleep :P
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 17, 2017, 04:20:04 am
This is outdated but I thought this was funny and kinda relevant as it was parodying the Wii U successor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6_xWq-lvGo

XD

That console design looks cool tho O.O
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: p2 on March 19, 2017, 08:38:10 pm
And again I am amazed of how much effort some people put into such a video xD
But indeed the design looks nice. Hope they support GameCube controllers tho :ninja:
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 30, 2017, 12:42:21 am
Lol actually I wonder if the Wii U GCN gamepad can work on the Switch... hmm...

Anyway I finally got my Switch console and it's definitively much less bulky than the Wii U gamepad, while also being much more versatile with the ways we can use the joycon controllers.  :D
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: ordelore on March 30, 2017, 06:29:18 pm
How has your experience been so far @DJ Omnimaga? What games did you get?
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on March 30, 2017, 07:19:00 pm
Only Zelda so far. That's all there is outside of Gamesuck stores it seems.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Adriweb on April 30, 2017, 06:40:01 pm
kinda related
(https://i.redd.it/9j74bgutknuy.jpg)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on April 30, 2017, 07:59:18 pm
Haha I remember a similar pic from before theNew 3DS came out. Nice one XD
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on November 14, 2017, 09:27:06 pm
Here is a sign that the Switch is being a big success so far:

(https://i.imgur.com/QZhyBcH.jpg)

When games like this appear on a game console (see the original DS and Wii)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 13, 2017, 11:46:48 pm
Nintendo announced that the Switch has now sold 10 millions units. I think it took 4 years for the Wii U to sell that much
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: 123outerme on December 14, 2017, 12:37:00 am
I'm thinking about getting one for myself around this time of year, especially if there are gonna be sales. How has the platform been so far? The only negative thing I've heard so far is the online chat hooks up to your phone (or at least did at launch), not the system.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Pieman7373 on December 14, 2017, 02:10:34 am
I"ve been pretty happy with mine so far, aside from some annoying Wi-Fi issues
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 16, 2017, 08:29:41 pm
no issue so far for me. But no twitch livestreaming and no browser (they put in Bowser in it instead of a browser)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: 123outerme on December 16, 2017, 09:24:48 pm
Quote from: xlibman on December 16, 2017, 08:29:41 pm
no issue so far for me. But no twitch livestreaming and no browser (they put in Bowser in it instead of a browser)


Quote from: Pieman7373 on December 14, 2017, 02:10:34 am
I"ve been pretty happy with mine so far, aside from some annoying Wi-Fi issues

Also, how has the battery life been? I've done some research and seen max of 3hrs with intensive games like BotW. Is that generally enough when you're on the go? I also have a power bank, so if you know the capacity of the Switch battery, I'd love to know.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Pieman7373 on December 16, 2017, 11:17:46 pm
Yeah, around 3 hours is the most I've gotten...
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on December 26, 2017, 09:45:32 pm
Got a Switch for Christmas, pretty awesome for something so small.

Got FIFA18, Mario Odyssey & downloaded Rocket League.

FIFA plays well and looks great, haven't played Odyssey yet but it's meant awesome and Rocket League runs smooth but lowers it's resolution dynamically so it doesn't look as good as on PS4 - but still playing it portably is quite amazing!

There are some really cool looking indie games available too. Time to port Pirate Space Kitties to Switch! Kidding :).
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: Pieman7373 on December 26, 2017, 09:49:18 pm
Oh, awesome! I have Mario odyssey and rocket league as well!! Mario odyssey is pretty great, you should like it :)
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: 123outerme on December 26, 2017, 09:58:22 pm
I got mine, hoping for a holiday sale, but nothing. I got BotW and downloaded MK8 Deluxe. PM if you want my friend code!
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on December 26, 2017, 11:08:11 pm
Yeah I was hoping to get some stuff onsale too, but nada.

The only criticism I have is holding the console in portable mode with the joycons connected can cramp your hands after a while due to not having the palm grips that traditional controllers, or even stuff like the WiiU Gamepad has.

Something like this would be great: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1274541538/switchcase-case-with-replaceable-grips-for-nintend
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on January 02, 2018, 01:33:12 am
I don't have that issue and I had it on the Wii U actually. However, I have to watch out my friends when they re-attach the joycons to ensure that they don't put them the wrong way (they are very hard to detach when that happens)

Battery life isn't an issue so far since I rarely play more than 1 hour at once.

As for Mario Odyssey it's just amazing, but I don't like the co-op mode. It's too hard to control Capi when the camera keeps swinging around. I wish it was split-screen.

Also Axiom Verse is great.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: tr1p1ea on January 03, 2018, 02:02:26 am
I also got Mario Odyssey and it is amazing! I like the open style of the worlds in a similar vein to SM64. The visuals are very good and the gameplay mechanics very creative with the way you can utilise Capi.
Title: Re: Nintendo Switch console
Post by: xMarminq_ on January 06, 2018, 08:20:46 pm
https://i.redd.it/ox5kllil2h801.jpg