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Title: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: kotu on August 16, 2016, 05:41:54 am
I hate touchscreen phones

I want buttons on my phone which I can press

Does anyone else on here hate touchscreen phones?

(-_(//));
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Yuki on August 16, 2016, 06:07:19 am
Probably my grandparents. The interface is too confusing, it crashes all the time when you want to do the basic function of phoning, and even then it's confusing... Yeah, flip phones are better for elderly people, and that's why it still sells.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: kotu on August 16, 2016, 06:15:24 am
The point of this thread is not to make me look old

Anyone else?
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Yuki on August 16, 2016, 06:18:44 am
Hehe. Probably @DJ Omnimaga too, he really liked his old Android phone with a physical keyboard and actual buttons and got all jealous when he saw @Patrick Davidson's one with a keyboard on it when we met him.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: c4ooo on August 16, 2016, 06:46:46 am
Me.
Any way to hook up a SIM card to a PC?
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Yuki on August 16, 2016, 06:49:18 am
Quote from: c4ooo on August 16, 2016, 06:46:46 am
Me.
Any way to hook up a SIM card to a PC?
There is ways to use your phone from your computer, yeah. If you use an iPhone and a Mac, well it's integrated, for Android it's probably somewhat more shady.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: c4ooo on August 16, 2016, 06:52:02 am
Nah I mean like actually connect your sim to your PC via USB or something and have software on the PC do the calling.

Edit: also I really wish touch screen phones had left/right/up/down arrows on the keyboard it's so hard to get the curser in the right position X.X
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: kotu on August 16, 2016, 06:53:21 am
Quote from: c4ooo on August 16, 2016, 06:52:02 am
Nah I mean like actually connect your sim yo your PC via USB or something and have software on the PC do the calling.

you dont like touchscreens either?
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Yuki on August 16, 2016, 06:55:11 am
Eh, sometimes I do feel my fingers are really too big for the screen. And the swipe action is sometimes shady. And I have small fingers. And a low-end phone.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: c4ooo on August 16, 2016, 06:56:06 am
You could build your own touch screen phone with an arduino :P
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Unicorn on August 16, 2016, 06:58:31 am
PatrickD's phone wasn't a modified Ti 85? :trollface:

But on topic, I like them, but the typing inter face is pretty terrible.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Yuki on August 16, 2016, 07:00:53 am
Quote from: c4ooo on August 16, 2016, 06:56:06 am
You could build your own touch screen phone with an arduino :P
I'd better do that with a Raspberry Pi.

Quote from: Unicorn on August 16, 2016, 06:58:31 am
PatrickD's phone wasn't a modified Ti 85? :trollface:

But on topic, I like them, but the typing inter face is pretty terrible.
I always use Hacker's Keyboard, I have the whole PC keyboard, except the keys are ridiculously small. Or you can always get a Bluetooth keyboard, it always work.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: kotu on August 16, 2016, 07:03:49 am
Quote from: Juju on August 16, 2016, 07:00:53 am
....... Or you can always get a Bluetooth keyboard, it always work.

hahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Unicorn on August 16, 2016, 07:08:10 am
oh yeah, someone ha posted picture of one for his rasberry pi on cemetech, I wanted to buy it. :P

Also, I could turn my TI keyboard into an andriod one once I get it working as a computer one :D
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 16, 2016, 07:41:03 am
Quote from: kotu on August 16, 2016, 06:15:24 am
The point of this thread is not to make me look old
Making you look old might be hard considering how old certain forum members are :P

I don't like touchscreen keyboards, but I like touchscreen controls for browsing, as long as finger detection isn't off like on older iOS devices. For keyboards I miss the small keypad that my old Samsung i5510 had. Sadly, that phone was so slow and outdated and nowadays they barely do any Android-based phones with such keypad anymore. For browsing and clicking stuff I am fine, though, even to the point where I got used so much to touchscreen controls that on my TI-Nspire CX or TI-84 Plus CE I sometimes try to click stuff on the screen with my fingers, only to realize that those calcs don't have touch screens. <_<
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DarkestEx on August 16, 2016, 11:49:25 am
I don't hate touchscreen phones but on-screen keyboards! Let them burn in hell!
So I got myself an hybrid: a BlackBerry Classic, which runs BlackBerry OS (based on QNX) but still has an Android VM and can run it's Apps.
It has 16 GB Flash, 2 GB RAM, a capacitive touchscreen with 720x720 pixels and a full QWERTZ (in my case) keyboard. It also has a little touchpad which makes navigation so much easier.
I am totally happy with it :)
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: ::CMG (UTOPIA):: on August 16, 2016, 01:31:15 pm
Before i got my current phone (Samsung Galaxy S4), I used to have the T-Mobile Sidekick brand of phones.  It was the best phone i ever had.  The keyboard felt nice and perfect for my "big-toe-like" thumbs, and i could text lightning fast.  Then they did away with that and made texting via the touch screen and I LOATH IT ENTIRELY!  My damn thumbs always press 2 letters at once, and it's gotten to the point where this app is a necessity for me (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bigbuttons&hl=en).
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: aeTIos on August 16, 2016, 02:08:14 pm
I'm a bit mixed about touchscreens-I like them, but the keyboards are a bit eh. What i love about the recent smartphone revolution however is that the phones finally got a bit bigger again. my phone is broken atm and I now use an old nokia to be available for others and it sucks! not becauss of the keyboard or because the phone is so old ( I don't mind tbh) but I can almost put it INSIDE my ear. Also the mic in my nexus 5 is really good and noisefree even when I am calling on a bike or in a windy place. But yeah, large phones are <3
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 16, 2016, 03:11:49 pm
I am ok with large phones as long as they fit in my pant pockets. I don't like having to carry an extra bag just to carry my phone around.

Also I dislike the newer Android touchscreen keyboard. Some important characters now takes longer to reach and caps lock often turns ON by itself. I prefered the one circa 2015 or so.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: GalacticPirate on August 16, 2016, 03:22:57 pm
Sorry, but I absolutely LOVE touchscreen phones (of course capacitive ones). I fell in love with them when my father, who had a crappy HTC HD Touch with a poor resistive touchscreen, bought an iPhone 4S :P Now, with this iPhone and a screen almost smaller than the CX's one or the Prime's one, I feel bad because going on the Internet is freaking bad. So I absolutely love large and larger phone, such as the iPhone 6S Plus, the Galaxy S6 Edge+ (because more powerful  and larger than the S7 Edge) and now the newest Galaxy Note 7 :P
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Travis on August 18, 2016, 05:24:33 pm
I haven't done much work with touchscreens yet, but I definitely wouldn't want to do any sort of text entry at all on a touchscreen keyboard. It's no good without tactile feedback and being able to feel where the buttons are; I shouldn't have to take my eyes off of whatever I'm doing. (And it shouldn't take an hour just to write two words.) Give me even a small "Chiclet" calculator-style keyboard any day... as long as it's actually accurate and reliable. If it misses and doubles keystrokes and crap like that, though, then it's worthless, too.

I've had bad experiences with older touchscreens and touchpads, so I'm currently pretty biased against them. However, there are some things, like swiping through documents, that I may actually come to like if it's all implemented correctly. But I've experienced bad implementations (like trying to scroll a page and it deciding I clicked a link instead and losing my place).

My big weakness with any sort of input device is that I have absolutely no patience for ones that don't interpret my inputs as I intended them.

Also, the other thing I hate about touchscreens is having to look at the freaking distracting fingerprints and smears all the time instead of what I'm trying to see. I can't stand stuff looking so dirty. >:(
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: p2 on August 19, 2016, 12:37:46 pm
Yes youre right. The biggest problem of touch is the keyboard. It's always so small you dont even see the "keys" below your fingers and it's sooo dirty and full of fingerprints >.<
I thought a touch screen with external keyboard would work but even that's not really true since it's super annoying always having to change between keyboard and screen (for example using touchscreen notebooks and stuff) And external keyboards for Phones really suck...
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: c4ooo on August 19, 2016, 12:42:34 pm
A good program interface should allow you to do *almost anything* without moving your hands from the keyboard to the mouse; thus on a PC the keyboard is the primery input device and the mouse secondary. (An obvious exception is gaming). With touch screen though, the "mouse" is your primery input device and the keyboard is secondary.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: p2 on August 19, 2016, 01:27:00 pm
Well I pretty much enjoy having both mouse and keyboard and moving one hand from mouse to kayboard to type something is fine... ^^ But in addition to that having to touch the screen is just too much... :/

But some laptops have this little red thing between the keys that acts like a super flat joystick and lets you move the mouse around. (I hope you know what I mean). My laptop doesnt have one so I never used them... Are they handy and cool to use or just useless?

Edit: I hope I'm not getting too offtopic sorry for that ^^
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Travis on August 20, 2016, 01:25:01 pm
I believe they were called TrackPoint by IBM (or AccuPoint when licensed to Toshiba). I once had a laptop with one, and while it took some getting used to, I came to appreciate being able to move the mouse without taking my hands off the keyboard.

A while back I bought a Unicomp keyboard with one, thinking it would be cool to have. Unfortunately, the design was poor and the point moves excessively like a joystick, lessening accuracy. (It's supposed to be stiff and not move, and the electronics actually detect the amount and direction of the force you place on it when you try to push it.) Also, it lacked a scroll wheel/buttons, middle button (important in Linux GUIs), and the buttons are really crappy for the high price of that keyboard and broke easily and now barely work at all. So it wasn't very useful, and it was a big disappointment. I still use my separate Logitech M750 trackball as my main pointing device.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on August 31, 2016, 06:32:45 pm
Something I wonder is if the touchscreen of a phone gets worse after many uses? For example, with my Nexus 5 I noticed I could type anything almost perfectly when I first got it, but after almost 2 years it seemed like pressing letter keys on the touchscreen keypad pressed the wrong letter more and more often with the time, to the point where some keys would sometimes stop working or close.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: 123outerme on August 31, 2016, 06:39:28 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on August 31, 2016, 06:32:45 pm
Something I wonder is if the touchscreen of a phone gets worse after many uses? For example, with my Nexus 5 I noticed I could type anything almost perfectly when I first got it, but after almost 2 years it seemed like pressing letter keys on the touchscreen keypad pressed the wrong letter more and more often with the time, to the point where some keys would sometimes stop working or close.

It's possible that as you were using your phone more, the fingerprints and smears that accumulate on the screen make touch less accurate. Personally, I enjoy the convenience of touchscreen phones, although sometimes figuring out what it wants you to do to get what you want to happen is a bit frustrating.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: c4ooo on September 01, 2016, 03:32:21 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on August 31, 2016, 06:32:45 pm
Something I wonder is if the touchscreen of a phone gets worse after many uses? For example, with my Nexus 5 I noticed I could type anything almost perfectly when I first got it, but after almost 2 years it seemed like pressing letter keys on the touchscreen keypad pressed the wrong letter more and more often with the time, to the point where some keys would sometimes stop working or close.

I've noticed on my friend's iPad some areas near the edges of the screen react very poorly to touch. Like for example in this one game, some UI buttons are very hard to press (you have to try pressing it multiple times for it to work), and in all apps the keyboard has some keys that seem "dead" and don't react the first time you press them.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Yuki on September 01, 2016, 02:17:18 pm
My friend had the whole bottom part of the screen stop working, rendering his device pretty much unusable. He got it replaced.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on September 03, 2016, 05:47:32 am
Quote from: c4ooo on September 01, 2016, 03:32:21 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on August 31, 2016, 06:32:45 pm
Something I wonder is if the touchscreen of a phone gets worse after many uses? For example, with my Nexus 5 I noticed I could type anything almost perfectly when I first got it, but after almost 2 years it seemed like pressing letter keys on the touchscreen keypad pressed the wrong letter more and more often with the time, to the point where some keys would sometimes stop working or close.

I've noticed on my friend's iPad some areas near the edges of the screen react very poorly to touch. Like for example in this one game, some UI buttons are very hard to press (you have to try pressing it multiple times for it to work), and in all apps the keyboard has some keys that seem "dead" and don't react the first time you press them.
In my case, the bottom of my Nexus 5 does that sometimes, or most of the screen (especially the middle), but restarting the phone usually improves the touchscreen sensitivity. I also experienced issues where in Pokémon Go the touchscreen suddenly stops responding to anything in the game, except exiting the game. <_< But yeah, overall I think my touchscreen was better when I first got the phone. I hate now how sometimes clicking a link will click the link two lines of text above, although it's nowhere as bad as when I had an iPod Touch 4 (where I had the issue right from the beginning).
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Dudeman313 on October 11, 2016, 09:58:50 pm
My Nokia E63's screen somehow managed to break, so now I'm phoneless. It was non-touchscreen, and had a full QWERTY keyboard packed into a tiny space. Hated that. I love touchscreen phones, but I also hate the onscreen keyboard, except for the ones that have that glide-type feature on the Amazon Fire Phone and HTC phones with HTC Sense Input.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: p2 on October 11, 2016, 10:04:15 pm
wait... you broke a nokia phone? D:
jk ^^ but what would you prefer? if you hate onscreen keyboards but also dont like those tiny keyboards? ^^
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Dudeman313 on October 11, 2016, 10:11:30 pm
Quote from: p2 on October 11, 2016, 10:04:15 pm
wait... you broke a nokia phone? D:
jk ^^ but what would you prefer? if you hate onscreen keyboards but also dont like those tiny keyboards? ^^

I dunno. I really liked the Amazon Fire Phone's ability to create words by sliding your finger from letter to letter.
To me, that's way better than tapping each letter one by one. I don't like staccato.

And the Nokia phone broke because it fell from my hand to a locker room floor that has been the same for almost a century. (My school was built sometime after WWII)
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 11, 2016, 10:23:08 pm
I tend to prefer physical keypads as long as it's a full one, not a numpad. Much easier to type. >.<

As for sliding-based typing, I think I wouldn't mind, but only on phablets.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: p2 on October 11, 2016, 11:23:32 pm
how do you think about voice input? more and more devices tend to rely on that...

/me luves phablets <3
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Travis on October 11, 2016, 11:26:06 pm
I tried the slide-based typing/Swype thing on a Kindle Fire a couple of times, and it's actually kind of impressive. I wouldn't have guessed something like that would work so well, almost as if it's reading my mind sometimes.

I'm still partial to physical keyboards, though. ;) I feel faster with them, and it's possible to learn to feel for the keys so you can use them without having to stop and look down every time (and accidentally tap the wrong thing because there's no tactile separation between targets on a touchscreen).

Anyone remember Graffiti with the Palm handhelds? Letters/characters were entered with gestures, sort of like handwriting. If the detection were really good, that might work well in theory (maybe even without having to look down), but I haven't seen anything like that in a while.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: p2 on October 11, 2016, 11:43:12 pm
great idea: let'S create a touchscreen that looks like a chocolate bar so you can actually FEEL the keys while it's still a touch phone! *feels like genius*

detection of handwritings suck... <_< Dont know if its my handwriting or yjust the computers... but mine never gets detected properly :P
Had such systems in school and I basically couldnt use them as they didnt work for me :/
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: c4ooo on October 12, 2016, 12:28:05 am
Physical keys will always be better and faster to type with. (A lot of the time spent when typing on a touchscreen keyboards is correcting mistakes.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 12, 2016, 02:19:29 am
Quote from: p2 on October 11, 2016, 11:23:32 pm
how do you think about voice input? more and more devices tend to rely on that...

/me luves phablets <3

My issue with phablets though is that they often don't fit in your pant pockets. If you dare putting it in a pocket then it is prone to bending. I hate walking around and having to carry my phone in my hands at any time or something like that.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: WholeWheatBagels on October 12, 2016, 03:14:56 am
Quote from: p2 on October 11, 2016, 11:43:12 pm

detection of handwritings suck... <_< Dont know if its my handwriting or yjust the computers... but mine never gets detected properly :P
Had such systems in school and I basically couldnt use them as they didnt work for me :/


I had to start writing in all caps so even the teachers would recognize my writing
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on October 12, 2016, 05:34:17 am
Ugh, I hated how some teachers made people restart their exam from scratch or gave a score of zero if our handwriting was considered bad to them. >.<

EDIT: THat or bank/government/other forms to fill that were paper-based. By grade 2 we got used to write with our letters all tied together (not sure of the word in English) rather than separate from each others, but those documents required us to write using separate letters, including lowercase. This was so slow that I'm glad most stuff is done via computers now. >.<
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: p2 on October 12, 2016, 07:43:39 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 12, 2016, 02:19:29 am
Quote from: p2 on October 11, 2016, 11:23:32 pm
how do you think about voice input? more and more devices tend to rely on that...

/me luves phablets <3

My issue with phablets though is that they often don't fit in your pant pockets. If you dare putting it in a pocket then it is prone to bending. I hate walking around and having to carry my phone in my hands at any time or something like that.

I thought you had just misspeled Tablet... <_< took me an entire day to realize I failed not you...  :P

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 12, 2016, 05:34:17 am
Ugh, I hated how some teachers made people restart their exam from scratch or gave a score of zero if our handwriting was considered bad to them. >.<

Happened to me a couple of times... :/
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: WholeWheatBagels on October 12, 2016, 05:53:21 pm
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 12, 2016, 05:34:17 am
Ugh, I hated how some teachers made people restart their exam from scratch or gave a score of zero if our handwriting was considered bad to them. >.<

EDIT: THat or bank/government/other forms to fill that were paper-based. By grade 2 we got used to write with our letters all tied together (not sure of the word in English) rather than separate from each others, but those documents required us to write using separate letters, including lowercase. This was so slow that I'm glad most stuff is done via computers now. >.<


Cursive? Blech. I remember having learn that in 3rd grade and we had to use it for the entirety of 3rd and 4th grade lest you be marked down.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: c4ooo on October 12, 2016, 08:35:07 pm
Quote from: p2 on October 12, 2016, 07:43:39 am
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 12, 2016, 02:19:29 am
Quote from: p2 on October 11, 2016, 11:23:32 pm
how do you think about voice input? more and more devices tend to rely on that...

/me luves phablets <3

My issue with phablets though is that they often don't fit in your pant pockets. If you dare putting it in a pocket then it is prone to bending. I hate walking around and having to carry my phone in my hands at any time or something like that.

I thought you had just misspeled Tablet... <_< took me an entire day to realize I failed not you...  :P

"Phablets"?... more like "faplets" :trollface:
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: p2 on October 12, 2016, 09:03:01 pm
nice one ;D
/me gives c4ooo a high5


But doesnt it suck having to hold that stupid tablet all the time while doing that... ??? I dont have a tablet/phablet/smartphone so idk but I can imagine that must be annoying xD
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Dudeman313 on October 23, 2016, 05:46:06 pm
Probably. Unless you like a custom phone bent specifically to the shape of your butt.  :-|
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: WholeWheatBagels on October 23, 2016, 06:38:37 pm
Just make sure it doesn't explode on you.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Enlightened Ingression on October 24, 2016, 01:20:59 am
Quote from: Dudeman313 on October 23, 2016, 05:46:06 pm
Probably. Unless you like a custom phone bent specifically to the shape of your butt.  :-|


Like the LG Flex series???
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: Travis on October 24, 2016, 02:00:39 am
A buttscreen phone?
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: c4ooo on October 24, 2016, 03:17:47 am
Quote from: p2 on October 12, 2016, 09:03:01 pm
But doesnt it suck having to hold that stupid tablet all the time while doing that... ??? I dont have a tablet/phablet/smartphone so idk but I can imagine that must be annoying xD

Well, if you're lying down, most tablet cases have this thing so they can stand upright. But if its something small like a phone, i guess you can just hold with your first hand while you do other stuff with your second hand :P
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 03, 2016, 09:41:38 pm
Aren't those sold separately? Also they can be handy if your tablet runs Windows 8.x or 10 and not RT, because you can attach a keyboard and then your tablet pretty much acts like a laptop.
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: p2 on December 05, 2016, 09:37:52 am
which makes me question those quys why dhey didnt just buy a laptop in the first place... <_<
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: xMarminq_ on December 06, 2016, 03:03:39 am
My screen protector bubbles...
FML!
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: p2 on December 06, 2016, 08:31:32 am
oh, right, I'm sure we would all miss the fingerprints all over the creen and those beautiful bubbles... <_<
I feel like gettign a needle each time I see them at someones phone :P
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: xMarminq_ on December 07, 2016, 02:57:46 am
And whenever I fix them, some hair somehow gets in there and make more bubbles, plus all the stains that appeared.....
Any way to fix other than getting a new screen guard?
Title: Re: Touchscreen Phones - who hates them?
Post by: DJ Omnimaga on December 07, 2016, 04:17:46 am
Quote from: p2 on December 05, 2016, 09:37:52 am
which makes me question those quys why dhey didnt just buy a laptop in the first place... <_<
It depends how much cheaper they got the tablet, stand and keypad for. You rarely see laptops for under $150.

Quote from: xMarminq_ on December 07, 2016, 02:57:46 am
Any way to fix other than getting a new screen guard?
By not using a screen guard at all. If you are careful you shouldn't have many issues with the screen being scratched. But it depends of the type of screen too. If it's like the Casio fx-CG10 calculator then it can get scratched with air. :P