Texas Instruments officially announced today its new "TI-84 Plus CE" calculator for back to school 2015 discovered in a previous news (https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=15640), which will be logically demonstrated at the T3 international conference in March 2015 at Fort Worth in Texas. Availability is scheduled for spring 2015.
If we understood well at the journées APMEP (https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15401&p=171355) and the salon Educatec-Educatice (https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15643) last November, France will get a specific model, the "TI-83 Premium CE". Remains to be seen whether this will be a simple francisation the TI-84 Plus CE keyboard or if there is something else lurking back there which could justify the use of the 'Premium' word...
In all cases these models are sharing the 'CE' suffix and apparently developed simultaneously. So they should share many similarities and the following lines should be valid for both models.
The official page therefore presents a calculator equipped with a 16-bit 320x240 pixels backlit color display, the same as the one in the TI-Nspire CX and TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition. The operating system clearly seems to be an evolution of the one in the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition, since we're noticing exactly the same user interface. As a consequence, one remaining question would be whether the defects of this previous model have been fixed or not, and in particular its extremely slowness due to using the same processor as the one used in the latest monochrome TI-84, a z80 to 15MHz, with a display needing (320×240×16)/(96×64×1)=200 times more data to be processed for each refresh.
The model is described as 30% lighter than the older TI-84 and much thinner. Indeed, the AAA batteries disappear in favor of a rechargeable battery.
It will be available in different colors.
USB connectivity is present, this time on the side of the calculator, with a mini USB A/B connector, together with a charging LED.
(https://i.imgur.com/Eeis28O.png)(https://i.imgur.com/e3yIx3d.png)
The Vernier website, a long time partner of Texas Instruments, has also been updated and tells us a little more about this new model.
On one hand, TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition applications do not seem compatible with the TI-84 Plus CE. Indeed, in order to use Vernier sensors you'll need to have the new EasyData 5.0 application. EasyData 4.0 equipping the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition would therefore be incompatible, which may be an indication of more or less interesting OS and hardware changes. If in addition we made the connection with the 4.x numbering of the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition operating systems, one could infer that the new TI-84 Plus CE will use a new 5.0 version of the operating system.
Furthermore, it is stated that the TI-84 Plus CE will not work with Vernier LabPro and TI-CBL2 (http://codewalr.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11315) interfaces, nor with TI-Navigator hubs (https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15086&p=168917). This could indicate the removal of the mini-jack 2.5 historical connector which was the only way to connect these devices. By extension, TI-Robot (https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11679) and TI-Keyboard (https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11320) would also be incompatible.
Vernier also tells us about something else, the "TI-Charging Station CE", which can store up to 10 TI-84 Plus CE while recharging their batteries, apparently using contacts which must be located on the bottom of the calculators - ideal for classroom use.
(https://i.imgur.com/hrLVMYA.png)
Source with more pictures : https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=175678&lang=en#p175678
I like the new design. But i don't think people at home need a 10-calc charging bench :P.
Theres probably a single calc charger for though.
If it's a single unit, you can just charge it through USB. No need for anything specific.
We just discovered the available RAM and Flash on a special page of Vernier website :
- 150KB RAM (and thus a chip of 256KB)
- 3MB archive (and thus a Flash ROM chip of 4MB)
3MB instead of 3.5MB on the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition would mean the OS is quite bigger.
And 150/256KB RAM is not suited for a z80 CPU (only able to address 64KB at the same time - so it can never address the whole RAM).
The CPU must be something else...
Source : http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=15870&p=175692&lang=en#p175678
Awesome to hear Critor.I just spotted this on Cemetech and was amazed.
The only concern I have about its faster speed, though is if it supports ASM at all and if it's locked down like the Nspire. By being an ARM calculator, you already say goodbye to compatibility with DCSE and the like, but it would be worse if it lacks an ASM command altogether.
On the other hand, what if this was a Z80 emulator layer running on ARM like the HP 50g did with Saturn emulation? That would be a waste of CPU power, especially for TI-BASIC, but at least ASM programs would still run without much modifications, like with the old 84+SE emulator built in the Clickpad Nspire model.
Compatibility aside, the user RAM is interesting. It's still very low per 2015 standards, but much better than 21, and this should definitively give people much more freedom when making large math programs or games.
By the way welcome Critor. Do you mind if I mark your topic as front page news? (members can submit articles via the ADD AS ARTICLE button, but they need 5 or 20 posts and it requires an admin to approve the article)
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2015, 07:34:27 PM
Awesome to hear Critor.I just spotted this on Cemetech and was amazed.
The first messages about this on the Cemetech IRC appeared some time after my original post.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2015, 07:34:27 PMBy the way welcome Critor. Do you mind if I mark your topic as front page news? (members can submit articles via the ADD AS ARTICLE button, but they need 5 or 20 posts and it requires an admin to approve the article)
No problem :)
Ok thanks for the clarification. And I see. I'll flag it as article then :)
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on January 13, 2015, 06:39:36 PM
I like the new design. But i don't think people at home need a 10-calc charging bench :P.
Theres probably a single calc charger for though.
Critor would need one, if he gets as much TI-84+ CE as much he have Nspires!
Ooh, we might be onto something here :D At least the d-pad looks better suited for gaming than the Nspire touchpad.
So... Super computer of 1700 Ti-84 CE's like
this (http://www.sciencealert.com/this-physicist-has-built-a-supercomputer-from-old-playstations) guy did with ps3's?
Quote from: aeTIos on January 14, 2015, 01:58:09 PM
Ooh, we might be onto something here :D At least the d-pad looks better suited for gaming than the Nspire touchpad.
Indeed, having the d-pad centered is a major concern for game design and also for non-game stuff it can be quite annoying to use too. I prefer having arrows on one side (left or right) like on a computer keyboard.
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on January 14, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
So... Super computer of 1700 Ti-84 CE's like
this (http://www.sciencealert.com/this-physicist-has-built-a-supercomputer-from-old-playstations) guy did with ps3's?
If you can afford 1700 calculators then go ahead? :P
I mean even the HP Prime is expensive if we only factor in the hardware. You can get a tablet with 10 times its power and 50 times its RAM and a larger screen for only 3 times the HP Prime price (although if you want Windows 8 or an iOS device it's often more expensive). Don't get me started on the 84+CSE.
I am willing to bet that the only reason why the price is so high, though, is because schools require those calculators. The day schools will allow tablets (probably not as long as they lack a teacher mode to disable Wi-Fi/3G as well as most apps) I am betting you'll either see calculator prices drop like crazy.
EDIT: By the way, I am a bit disappointed that the CE's ENTER and ON keys are still not properly aligned with the 0, . and (-) keys. When I switched from the 83+ to 84+ this resulted into many accidental 2nd+ENTER code losses in the program editor when I was trying to access the memory menu. With the rectangular calculator design, I would have thought that they would have at least reverted back to the TI-Nspire 84+ keypad design.
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on January 14, 2015, 02:41:56 PM
So... Super computer of 1700 Ti-84 CE's like
this (http://www.sciencealert.com/this-physicist-has-built-a-supercomputer-from-old-playstations) guy did with ps3's?
Like US army used to do? ^^
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 14, 2015, 04:58:39 PM
I mean even the HP Prime is expensive if we only factor in the hardware. You can get a tablet with 10 times its power and 50 times its RAM and a larger screen for only 3 times the HP Prime price (although if you want Windows 8 or an iOS device it's often more expensive). Don't get me started on the 84+CSE.
Ahem, Raspberry Pi, 25€, 1GHz ARMv7.
RPI Awww yisss, even though dont do anythng with it :(
Is it just me or does thing thing look like a tv remote?
Now that you mention it, it kinda does actually, since it looks so slim in width compared to height.
TI-France just announced today its TI-83 Premium CE, the french version of the TI-84 Plus CE.
The TI-83 Premium CE page is revealing much more information, information which is valid for both models. Among them :
- The Asm() command is still there
- The new TI-Connect CE is going to include a program editor.
Source - in french for now : http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=175812#p175812
Awesome. I'm gonna check later. :) Thanks for sharing.
When people said it was fast did they mention anything about screen refresh?
I really hope that at least the screen refresh speed is faster.
ALso for some reasons I always thought that the new 84 was TI-84 Premium CE. I am unsure why I kept calling it like that lol. Anyway I'M glad that it still supports Asm() and that TI Connect is gonna have an editor again.
From the pictures I saw and the news, it seems like TI is now trying to compete against the HP Prime. I guess we will have to see the real calculator speed to really see if that's the case, though. If stuff still takes a while to load, then it probably won't be to compete against the Prime, but otherwise, HP will really have to move their debugging one step higher to stay in the race.
With the 84+CSE, my issue is not necessarily that BASIC games are slow, because it's not the main use for the calculator. It's the fact that even for legitimate school use the calc is still slow enough to make it unuseable at times. For example, with MathPrint enabled, it takes 0.5 seconds to type a character on the home screen. :banghead: Plus graphing many equations takes as long as other Z80 models, while on the Nspire and HP Prime it's instant.
TI officially announced the TI-84 Plus CE now and started sending e-mails about it:
http://education.ti.com/en/us/products/calculators/graphing-calculators/ti-84-plus-ce/tabs/overview
Nothing new, except that it seems that the calc will have 154 KB of user RAM, not 150, and it will be available in 7 colors.
However, the new calculator comparison chart no longer lists the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition. It appears that this calc will have gotten a short-lived life, after all, since the TI-84 Plus CE appears to replace it. Maybe the TI-84+CSE was like a beta of the TI-84+CE, much like how some people considered the TI-83+SE as a beta of the TI-84+SE? Or maybe its short-lived life is the result of many student complains about slow typing, refreshing and menu scrolling?
See comparison chart: http://education.ti.com/en/us/product-resources/graphing_course_comparision (let's hope they got it right, unlike last time (http://www.omnimaga.org/news/texas-instruments-redesigns-entire-graphing-calculator-line/) :P)
Source: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=176432
Also Cemetech had an interview with Peter Balyta about the new calculator: http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11163 . This Cemetech news also reveals a much longer battery life, perhaps months of normal use, thanks to a deep sleep mode. I hope it doesn't mean like the Nspire going out of standby mode, because it takes about 1 minutes to reboot a TI-Nspire.
Ok, it appears that Europe will get the TI-84 Plus CE-T instead of the TI-84 Plus CE. Not sure what's different from the American model, but it doesn't have the same keypad as the 83 Premium CE: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=15940&lang=en
I'm hoping that Flash APPs developed for one model will work on the other and that the CE-T model won't have fewer RAM/archive. Remember what they did with the Nspire CM/CM-C in China with the fewer RAM.
EDIT: According to TI's pages it shares the same RAM/Archive as the 84+CE/83PCE.
Still no disclosure about the cpu though.
We'll probably know for sure this spring.
Unless commercial verdions of ythe calc cannot be opened, like the 360 O.O
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 30, 2015, 03:11:03 PM
We'll probably know for sure this spring.
Unless commercial verdions of ythe calc cannot be opened, like the 360 O.O
What's the 360?
Probably some ti caclulator
Wow my last post was totally butchered by mobile keypad typos. Oh well. Anyway I meant the Xbox 360. You need to buy a special, third-party tool online or make your own in order to open your console. But in the future, I wouldn't be surprised if companies soldered both the faceplate and the back of their electronics so that we cannot open them without damaging the case.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on February 05, 2015, 06:10:00 PM
Wow my last post was totally butchered by mobile keypad typos. Oh well. Anyway I meant the Xbox 360. You need to buy a special, third-party tool online or make your own in order to open your console. But in the future, I wouldn't be surprised if companies soldered both the faceplate and the back of their electronics so that we cannot open them without damaging the case.
Ypu have to buy "special" tools to open up an iphone. You have to buy special screws to open your Nintendo carts. ...
Well, at least Nintendo carts had screws to open them. They were not soldered together or something.
Also, something I want to bring up:
In France, at Jarrety, the TI-83 Premium CE price is 88.88 euros. In USA, the retail price for the TI-84 Plus CE is $129.99. Here is the result in Canadian dollars:
TI-83 Premium CE: 126.83$ CAD
TI-84 Plus CE: 161.63$ CAD
If some French stores sell it for the same price as Jarrety and ships worlwide for not much more than US shipping, I am thinking I might go with the French model instead of the American one. After all, I no longer go to school and mostly use those things as hobbyist, so I don't mind if my calc doesn't comply with exams. In the end I'll just have more features for cheaper.
You probably remember that on the TI-84+CSE, there was a bug in OS 4.2 with the Menu() command causing option 8 and 9 to not work (showing up as ? instead). This bug was reported to TI in early 2013.
Eventually, OS 4.2 came out. It didn't even fix a single bug that was reported by Kerm on Cemetech. TI probably thought that those bugs only affects the hobbyist portion of their calculator users, which is about 1% of their calculator market share.
Well, for OS 5.0 on the TI-83 Premium CE and TI-84 Plus CE, guess what?
*drumroll*
It still has the Menu() bug! http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11281&p=177472#p177468
Good job, TI! :banghead: 9_9
EDIT: I'm willing to bed that this bug from the 1996 TI-83 (before almost every CodeWalrus member came to birth) is still present:
(https://img.ourl.ca/2bytetokenbug.gif)
I'm born in '95. Yeah they just copy paste the ROM and tweak to change the I/O. Heh, minimal production cost :/
Indeed. Plus I am betting if we reported some of those bugs to TI, they would once again bring up the excuse that since those bugs only affect hobbyists which are only 1% of their customers, then they won't bother fixing them. The issue, though, is that sometimes, even bugs that affects most students are never fixed (see the Nspire bugs that have been existing for years)
If HP had as many people working on HP Prime firmware testing as TI does, then the HP Prime would be bug free since the first public firmware. Alas, they only have three or four people.
We have posted a hands-on review of the TI-84 Plus CE here : https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=16086 :)
(https://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image.php?album_id=319&image_id=4592) (https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=16086)
(PS : you guys should have a bbcode to specify image dimensions :P)
Hi Adriweb, I just read the review and it's epic. Thanks to those who worked on it :)
Also you can use [img width="550" height="400"]URL[/img] to change the image size, but I don't think you can use a size above 1024 KB (you can click the image to expand it, though). http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Bulletin_board_code
Also, glad to see TI-Connect CE 5.0 come out. Does it work with the regular 83+ that lacks an USB link port by the way? I was unsure because TI-Planet specifies TI-83 Plus.Fr in parenthese, but it seemed unclear if it also included the original 83+ and 83+SE (yes, there was a TI-83 Plus Silver Edition).
Thanks DJ Omnimaga.
TI-Connect CE does only support USB calculators.
It means it supports the TI-83 Plus.fr USB, which is a TI-84+SE - thus the parentheses.
Ah right, and now it just messed up my file extension associations D:. I liked being able to send to TI device in original TI-Connect by right clicking files. Oh well, I'll get used to this change I guess. I hope they don't stop providing the original on their site in the near future.
TI-84 Plus CE OS 5.0 now available! http://education.ti.com/en/us/~/media/Files/Download%20Center/Software/84PlusCE/TI-84_Plus_CE-OS-5.0.8eu
source: http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=232242#232242 and http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=16178&p=178828&lang=en
I wonder if that OS will fix the menu glitch that was still present on prototypes?
Probably wishful thinking <_<
Yeah I am not confident that it will be. TI might not see it as necessary to fix bugs that don't impact educational use of the calc.
TI-84+CE OS 5.0 is now available ! :)
http://education.ti.com/en/us/software/details/en/158B7669E4C0493A84D33D9A22FDBD3C/ti-84plusceoperatingsystem
Nice! i also noticed it has a new extension. Let the disassembling begin :3 (not by me, though)
Lol critor I actually posted the link earlier :P. Anyway I am curious what is hidden in it. Maybe some people might be able to find out? :)
Isnt ada like $80? I don't really want to spend my money on that. Besides, i dont really have any OS disassembling knowlege
What do you mean? ???
He meant IDA, and it's much more expansive (and not easily buyable) than $80.
There are free "old" versions, though.
Aren't there also other free alternatives including some by the TI community (unless that's what you meant by "old" versions)? I recall that DWedit had a disassembler and I would be surprised if nobody else in the calc scene ever made one that can disassemble any Z80 code.
The problem is that you're not disassembling a program, but an OS. I don't really have knowlege about it too, but i know you have to manage all the pages with OS stuff etc. And IIRC Ida contains all kinds of nifty features for OS disassembling and such.
IIRC tr1p started analyzing the OS code to look for shady or interesting stuff, so I guess we should be fine for that. Hopefully this OS doesn't have too many limitations.
OS 5.0 for the TI-83 Premium CE is now out: http://education.ti.com/fr/france/software/details/fr/B1B863F270AB4381A836C38E88A94127/ti-83-premium-ce-operating-system
http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41
wasn't it already a while ago?
Nah that was the TI-84 Plus CE OS. Now this is the TI-83 Premium CE OS.
Jaretty will finally receive their TI-83 Premium CE stock around May-June! :D
http://boutique.jarrety.fr/lycee/34-texas-ti-83-plusfr-2013.html
Hopefully they don't mind shipping internationally and not for too much. If shipping is not too expensive then I might save quite a lot of money in addition of getting extra features.
The TI-84 Plus CE will make its way to Canadian stores soon. The shelves are empty at Staples, but the price tags are already in place:
$149.99 CDN for TI-84+CE, which is $10 less than the TI-84+CSE and $7 more than the TI-84+.
The TI-Nspire is back into liquidation/bargain bins, but I bet they'll restock again next school year.
We can get them for about 107€, which surprisingly is almost the same as 150 cdn
Yeah I am glad that the price is not too high. With the lower Canadian dollar I was worried it would be $170 or higher. That said, it's still lower than the TI-83 Premium CE price, which is 88.88€ in some stores.
I sadly, have given up on the CE :( Its just toooooo expensive. But, I am trying to get a prime, I have about 40 dollars dedicated to that :D
Quote from: Unicorn on June 22, 2015, 08:49:00 PM
I sadly, have given up on the CE :( Its just toooooo expensive. But, I am trying to get a prime, I have about 40 dollars dedicated to that :D
??? The CE is cheaper than the Prime. From HP's site, the Prime is ~$150, while the CE is only ~$130
Ebay. Anyways, I want to learn a new language.
Go for something like Z80 ASM :P Or something generic like C or C++, you can use that almost anywhere
I don't think I'm gonna learn z80.
C, may work for me if I can find any good tutorials.
Or HP PPL if I get a Prime ;)
Quote from: Ivoah on June 22, 2015, 08:56:14 PM
Quote from: Unicorn on June 22, 2015, 08:49:00 PM
I sadly, have given up on the CE :( Its just toooooo expensive. But, I am trying to get a prime, I have about 40 dollars dedicated to that :D
??? The CE is cheaper than the Prime. From HP's site, the Prime is ~$150, while the CE is only ~$130
You can get the HP Prime for $130 on http://www.hpcalc.org . That's where I got mine. One site even had it for $120 when it launched. I doubt Unicorn will be able to buy an HP Prime for just $40, though. But since Unicorn prefers BASIC-like languages, he might want to go with the HP Prime instead of the CE for now, since the calc is 400 MHz with lots of RAM and its main language is extremely fast. (see the screenshots in the New Nspire Emulator thread)
Some die-hard HP calculator fans are so disappointed with the Prime that they resell theirs at much reduced price tags, sub-$100 price tags are fairly common.
Yeah, but most of those people have used HP 48 or 35 calcs for decades or have at least used the 50g for a long while. The many HP Prime bugs compared to those models and the focus towards students rather than professionals doesn't please many people among the HP calculator community.
Also, those people generally don't care about programming, unlike people like Han, Eried, you, me, Tim Wessman, etc. I think the calc is fine for hacking, but for school use it still has a long way to go before it becomes bug-free. I'm still thinking it will take at least three years or more, because HP simply doesn't have enough staff working on the HP Prime firmware.
Its also107 (I think) at amazon, continuing on what DJ said earlier.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on February 09, 2015, 11:34:04 PMYou probably remember that on the TI-84+CSE, there was a bug in OS 4.2 with the Menu() command causing option 8 and 9 to not work (showing up as ? instead). This bug was reported to TI in early 2013. [...] Well, for OS 5.0 on the TI-83 Premium CE and TI-84 Plus CE, guess what? [...] It still has the Menu() bug! http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11281&p=177472#p177468
Rejoice ;)
On the CE, the Menu( bug has been fixed, starting with OS 5.1 :) (Source (https://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=17102&p=187757#p187757)).
It'll be interesting to see if they have fixed other things as well.
I don't know if there are going to be any updates for the 84+CSE though.
Awesome. I was worried 5.1 brought 83 Premium features only and no bug fix.
whew, TI did fix that. Its quite anoying.
Yeah, I wondered if they would ever bother at all. When it doesn't affect educational use of the calc they seem to not care as much about bug fixes.
Maybe becuse most educational basic programs use menus?
Yeah but a lot of math programs don't use that many menu options. I guess that maybe some people wanted to stock their formulas or merge their math programs into bigger ones and used menus to access them, then noticed the bug and complained to TI. I bet that if people had reported the bug simply saying that they are unable to use more items without specifying they wanted to combine their math programs into one, or if they had mentioned it was for a game, then TI would just have put it last in their bug fix priority lists or replied that they should just use multiple menus as an alternative.
One of my friends had to buy a calc, and she thought our school's new standard calculator (casio fx-cg20) was ugly, so i convinced her to get a CE.
It's so thin compared to my calculator O.O
Yeah, its soooo thin. I'm not sure that that is a good thing though...