So I upgraded to Windows 10 yesterday. It said the system requirements are identical as Vista so I figured I would be fine, since my PC could run Windows 7 more than well. After several hours the upgrade was done. To my surprise, Starcraft: Brood War actually ran on Windows 10, sort-of, and it did not have the color bug from Windows 7 that caused colors to look funny. Of course Battle.net no longer works and I get memory violation errors upon exiting, but I guess there are fixes for that anyway. :P
Overall, I don't have issues so far, but the overall performance seems sub-par to Windows 7, despite Windows 10 being advertised as being faster and requiring similar specs as Vista/7/8/8.1. Startup now takes over 2 minutes instead of 30 seconds (excluding the time it takes once the desktop appeared to load background processes) and apps seems to take longer to start sometimes. I made sure that as many "Send data to MS" and "Sync" as possible are disabled to speed up performance further, but I'm sure I forgot some stuff (I noticed Windows 10 came with OneDrive, which I disabled. I'm glad it did not have my account info either because I bet it would have synced all my files without my permission otherwise).
So what has been the experience so far for people who upgraded? (http://img.codewalr.us/walriidows.gif)
I have windows 10 on my laptop and its pretty good. It doesnt seem to have really any performance difference and it offers dx 12, which is good.
Not sure about being better than windows 7,but its obviously better than windows 8.
However, windows update is glitched on my desktop, so the windows 10 update has been stuck at "starting download" for like 2 days now(also windows update is taking a day to check updates, so I assume that all of windows update is glitched). My desktop currently has windows 7(so not horrible like win 8), but dx 12 is(at least currently) available only for windows 10, so that sucks.
So far in terms of being better I don't spot many differences that makes me like it more, but at least it's very similar to 7, so it was not hard to get used to it.
As for the performance it might be because my PC is old, but it was rather high-end when I got it (except graphics), so I assume it's because my 8 GB of RAM is only DDR3 and that my i7 CPU is first-gen. That said, it's not bad either, just not as fast as what I had. Something I like is that the Start menu allowed me to get rid of all icons on the side and resize it down so that it looks closer to Windows 95/98 menu.
I'll eventually download the tools and hacks required to fix Starcraft Brood War compatibility issues.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on July 27, 2016, 08:43:44 PM
...so I assume it's because my 8 GB of RAM is only DDR3...
The clock speed and latency is what matters most. High-end DDR3 should still be more than fast enough. DDR4 will eventually become the new standard, but I don't think it's worth the extra cost yet.
Are there multiple versions/revisions of DDR3, though? What my manufacturer says is "Speed: PC3-10600 MB/sec (message as PC3-8500)" and I would have 1333 or 1066 MHz RAM.
Anyway I just noticed a bug or issue with Windows 10, aside from the start and notification buttons stopping working after a long while: Why does the Windows settings/control panel menu open everytime I start my browser (Opera)?
I like Win10 for laptop tablet convertibles. But for anything else, it feels half-baked and looks bland compared to 7 to me. On my tablet, it runs decent, though does have some issues sometimes. But on desktop, Windows 7 feels smooth, powerful, and pretty, and on 10 it looks cheap and is less reliable. Obviously looks is just personal preference but it really bugs me. I have 10 on my phone too and its quite buggy.
Yeah, although it improved a lot since its release, it still has a lot of annoying bugs or oddities. Also the windows look bland, although for the taskbar I was at least able to change the color.
Personally, I find this feature a necessity if you're going to use Win8/10 (http://classicshell.net/)
This thread is quite appropriate. Right now I'm sitting in a freezing cold office waiting for windows 10 to download (for the 2nd time, first time didn't work). I was hired to upgrade 2 computers, and the first one is done. The 2nd one is at 66%. I hate windows...
Wow that sucks Ivoah. That said, I would LOVE to sit in that ice cold office right now, because it's over 85°F outside with high humidity and my cheap AC was just turned ON.
Btw does anyone know why Opera 36 opens Windows Choose default app screen everytime I start the browser up? I don't have this issue with Chrome nor Firefox and I have Opera set as my default browser. ???
Quote from: ::CMG (UTOPIA):: on July 28, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
Personally, I find this feature a necessity if you're going to use Win8/10 (http://classicshell.net/)
Thanks for the link. I forgot about Classic Shell.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on July 28, 2016, 08:00:46 PM
Wow that sucks Ivoah. That said, I would LOVE to sit in that ice cold office right now, because it's over 85°F outside with high humidity and my cheap AC was just turned ON.
Hey, at least I'm getting paid :)
Ah ok that's good then. :) You can probably also put extra clothes under your suit (if any) I guess :P
On a side note, it seems that Windows 10 startup time becomes shorter and shorter a while after installing Windows 10. The first few reboots and startups are over twice as long as Windows 7, but eventually they end up being half as short because when the desktop finally appears it takes less time before it stops loading stuff.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on August 08, 2016, 05:32:23 AM
On a side note, it seems that Windows 10 startup time becomes shorter and shorter a while after installing Windows 10. The first few reboots and startups are over twice as long as Windows 7, but eventually they end up being half as short because when the desktop finally appears it takes less time before it stops loading stuff.
Yeah, win10 uses this thing callen hybridboot which is basically one step further than hybernation. I had to disable it, though, because my AV does not like it as it needs to do some stuff early in the boot.
Does it mean my PC will still consume some power when shut down? All its lights and fans turns off once my PC shuts down but I was curious. Or do you mean it tries to keep things as intact as possible for the next shut down/boot?
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on August 08, 2016, 04:37:58 PM
Does it mean my PC will still consume some power when shut down? All its lights and fans turns off once my PC shuts down but I was curious. Or do you mean it tries to keep things as intact as possible for the next shut down/boot?
No, it is actually powered down. It's more like a saved state being loaded at boot instead of going through the entire system initialization. This page (http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4189-fast-startup-turn-off-windows-10-a.html) gives a little more information and such about it.
Ah ok, and I assume there's a way to make the PC boot from scratch? Otherwise that could be nasty during a BSOD or another bad crash O.O
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on August 08, 2016, 06:48:07 PM
Ah ok, and I assume there's a way to make the PC boot from scratch? Otherwise that could be nasty during a BSOD or another bad crash O.O
Windows saves it's "state" on a normal shutdown from the start menu. Any other way of shutting down, like crashes, holding down the power button or clicking restart from the start menu, do not save that information and Windows will boot the old-fashioned way rather than using hybrid boot.
Oh right, that is a bit weird that a shutdown doesn't do it, while a restart does. But again, I guess they decided to treat restart as a way to fixing most things. At least it's nice to be able to shut down that way, because it takes less power and sometimes I prefer shutting down my PC so that it won't heat up my bedroom during 30°C nights
Restart always restarts completely because when you select 'restart' from the start menu, it's usually either because you want to fix something or when you installed something that needs a complete restart to become effective. In both of these cases saving/loading the state would be a bad idea. Also hybrid shutdown doesn't use any power while the computer is turned off. It's really just a matter of saving/loading data instead of having to initialize everything at startup.
Of course Win10 will piss off those who update from an older OS with an older hardware, but independently from that it is still a great OS, even better than Win7 and waaaaaaaaaaaay better than 8.1
I ran it on a 27 inch 2013 iMac with 8 GB RAM and it was a great experience. Now that I've messed up the HDD partition on which it was installed, I really wanna reinstall it :p (don't ask me how I did that)
Quote from: STV on August 10, 2016, 11:03:48 AM
Of course Win10 will piss off those who update from an older OS with an older hardware
i thought Microsoft prevented that from happening since that "upgrade from win7 to 10" notification/program checked your hardware specs and told you if it's compatible with the new OS or not. A few months ago I did that at my mom's job with all of her computers at the office and one of them prevented me from upgrading because the video card in the computer was not compatible, so I had to get a new nvidia card for it and then it started the upgrade (which was odd cause all the other towers had that built-in Intel Graphics and they were fine, its just that one specifically it said no to)
I noticed win10 is indeed faster at botting and stuff BUT ONLY when setting up an entirely new system.
If you just use that update solution and keep your old stuff it will only make your computer slower, buggier, less stable and turn im into a stupid spying device :P So if you dont intend to set up a new one I realy can't recommend windows10
It's widely known that windows computers do become much slower over time...
But it's kind of weird to see that it affects win10 even more than win7 computers... :-|
(as you can see after upgrading)
I guess it's gona lead to a huge comeback of windows7 in a couple of years since until then all the win10 ones will be super slow >.<
Such slowdowns happens on every Windows OSes actually. I had the same issue on XP
7 > vista > 8 > 10
'Num said.
On a side note, Windows 10 really wants to force youto use OneDrive. Everytime I close it it opens again
Windows 10 is basicly bloatware. You should probably down grade back to 7 while you have the chance or switch to Linux.
I am good with it now. Just those little annoyances but otherwise I no longer have to wait 5-10 minutes for Windows 7 desktop to finish loading stuff.
Quote from: c4ooo on August 12, 2016, 04:00:30 PM
or switch to Linux.
Pretty much what i did after Microsoft stopped supporting XP cause I wasn't even happy with Win7
How did they "stop supporting it" ??? Surly the old software will still run.
Quote from: c4ooo on August 12, 2016, 08:26:08 PM
How did they "stop supporting it" ??? Surly the old software will still run.
It'll run, but you'll be at risk for threats...
Quote from: MicrosoftWhat happens if I continue to use Windows XP?
If you continue to use Windows XP now that support has ended, your computer will still work but it might become more vulnerable to security risks and viruses. Internet Explorer 8 is also no longer supported, so if your Windows XP PC is connected to the Internet and you use Internet Explorer 8 to surf the web, you might be exposing your PC to additional threats. Also, as more software and hardware manufacturers continue to optimize for more recent versions of Windows, you can expect to encounter more apps and devices that do not work with Windows XP.
What does it mean if Windows isn't supported?
An unsupported version of Windows will no longer receive software updates from Windows Update. These include security updates that can help protect your PC from harmful viruses, spyware, and other malicious software, which can steal your personal information. Windows Update also installs the latest software updates to improve the reliability of Windows—new drivers for your hardware and more
Quote from: c4ooo on August 12, 2016, 08:26:08 PM
How did they "stop supporting it" ??? Surly the old software will still run.
Well of course you can try running it but microsoft gives zero guarantees about how it will run and they basically ditched it. They don't do updates, etc. So if you run it, you're on your own.
Yeah it's like Windows 7. Extended support ends in 2019.
It's like they're pushing us not to use windows anymore... :P
They're more pushing us to use the more recent versions, which some people don't want due to fearing of being stalked by the NSA
Quote from: aeTIos on August 12, 2016, 11:28:27 PM
Quote from: c4ooo on August 12, 2016, 08:26:08 PM
How did they "stop supporting it" ??? Surly the old software will still run.
Well of course you can try running it but microsoft gives zero guarantees about how it will run and they basically ditched it. They don't do updates, etc. So if you run it, you're on your own.
Who needs updates to Windows XP if XP runs fine anyways :P
I had more issues in XP than I had in Windows 7 and 10 combined. First, it was less stable (no freezing but stuff acted funky), softwares often stopped working for no reason (eg TI-Connect) and most Windows updates failed (especially SP3, which rendered my computer unuseable, so I had to revert to a system restore point that had SP2). I never had issues in Windows 7 and 10, except some of the minor annoyances in Windows 10 that I mentioned before (such as the default programs control panel screen opening everytime I start Opera but it always starts in the background rather than in front of the browser)