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Title: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: novenary on March 30, 2015, 05:22:32 PM
Title says it all, three networks plus the internal omnomirc network are kinda annoying. I suggest dropping the freenode channel as no one uses it, maybe we could get rid of omninet as well since basically no one that doesn't come from omni uses the latter.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on March 30, 2015, 08:02:36 PM
Honestly, I don't see why it's such a big issue lately. Besides, killing one of the channel won't solve the readability issue, because we would still have WalrusIRC and EFnet relay going on, and those are not going away. The reason why we use Freenode is because #KnightOS is there. However, killing Freenode would not impact us that much, seeing that only 1 of our users is exclusive to Freenode (neersighted).

Getting rid of Omninet would be the worst move IMHO, because many #omnimaga users are so stuck up about sticking to Omninet, while others are totally against it. I'm not gonna cut the IRC off Omnimaga users just to please two or three people, especially not SirCmpwn, whose future will be perpetually uncertain on CW. Our biggest sources of traffic are from Omninet and especially EFnet. So sorry, ditching EFnet or Omninet will not happen (although if Omnimaga ever closes or their IRC die completely, then ditching Omninet would be entirely possible)

In any case, any such drastic move that can hurt our visibility will have to go through a public survey first, asking the opinion of CW users. If too many people are against ditching networks, then it won't go through.


Let's rename the bot for now (to CW or WR or something that isn't already taken)
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Yuki on March 31, 2015, 01:06:17 AM
Yeah, IMO that's not a huge problem at all.
Title: ReĀ : IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on April 03, 2015, 01:40:36 AM
By the way, I found an even shorter nickname than WB: I|. I think the bot should use that since it seems available on EFnet. :P It's the Uppercase I and the | character. If someone would like to restart the bots I wonder if that would work?
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Yuki on April 03, 2015, 09:45:10 PM
It's not that shorter if you use a monospaced font, but that works.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on April 03, 2015, 10:13:02 PM
Oh right true. In my case I use IRCCloud so it's kinda fine. That said it is less noticeable that way.

Btw how does OmnomIRC work when someone steals the bot nick? Will it just add _ at the end?
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Yuki on April 04, 2015, 12:46:59 AM
I dunno, gotta ask Sorunome. That or it hangs.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on April 04, 2015, 04:24:21 AM
That said I bet this must have happened before on Omni, such as when the bot disconnects and ping timeouts. But maybe they got lucky and it never did, so I guess it might not hurt asking him, especially that nicks this short are probably used more often on EFnet than longer nicks.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Duke "Tape" Eiyeron on April 04, 2015, 06:10:33 AM
Its nice is probably under a password. I wouldn't see such a not without any sort of protections...
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on April 04, 2015, 06:48:14 AM
The problem is that on EFNet, there's no service nor password system. Once you lose your nick you don't get it back. Same for channels, hence why it would be best if we had more bots, split across more connections (eg your VPS) to auto-op staff and other bots. But EFnet has been part of the TI community culture for so long that it still remains by far the most popular despite its flaws.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on August 30, 2015, 02:58:07 AM
There were discussions about ditching the Omninet channel last Spring. The consensus is that everybody is on EFnet (where #cemetech and #ti are also located, along with a copy of #omnimaga) and Telegram and that we do not benefit at all from keeping multi-network support for #codewalrus . However, we wanted to see until the end of August, in case Omninet brings us new members with the back-to-school rush, in case we accidentally hurt our traffic/visibility. However, such traffic boost from Omninet never materialized. Making the channel EFnet-only, while still keeping Telegram and WalrusIRC support, would make it much easier to maintain WalrusIRC, according to Streetwalrus, if I remember correctly.

So while there is not any user in the Omninet channel anymore (other than one who is already on EFnet), I was wondering if anyone here would object to the unlinking of our Omninet channel? The Telegram group and WalrusIRC relays are here to stay, though.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: novenary on August 30, 2015, 06:22:28 AM
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on August 30, 2015, 02:58:07 AM
Making the channel EFnet-only, while still keeping Telegram and WalrusIRC support, would make it much easier to maintain WalrusIRC, according to Streetwalrus, if I remember correctly.
Constantly battling to keep bots online on two networks is a pain, and the relay bot makes the whole thing even more frail (it disconnects often, and right now it's only purpose is to re-relay telegram messages :/).
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on August 30, 2015, 06:30:59 AM
Does the Telegram and WIRC links also cause issues or is it just IRC networks? At least with only EFnet disconnecting every now and then (sometimes even less than Omninet, from past experiences) rather than two IRC networks, it would reduce the pain by half.


But then we won't be able to do weird things such as mass "the game" notices

EDIT: Ironically, as I wrote this, the Walrified bot stopped notifying of new posts. >.< EDIT: Nevermind I noticed this thread is in the staff section. Shouldn't it be public so that members are informed and voice their views?
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: novenary on August 30, 2015, 08:07:05 AM
/me lost
And yeah this convo is ok to have in public. The problem atm is that the telegram bot is on omninet and I| keeps dying there so telegram finds itself isolated every time it does.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on August 30, 2015, 04:52:21 PM
Yeah. I wish juju would move it or at least give you the password to do it (which would make sense considering both of you are in charge of admin stuff)
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: novenary on August 30, 2015, 10:16:06 PM
I could always ask Sorunome to give me access to the server. :P
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on August 30, 2015, 10:18:20 PM
That could work too. :P
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on November 28, 2015, 08:00:16 AM
By the way, since our Omninet channel has been only used by two people for months (who are already on EFnet), is no longer registered and no longer has ops, and since it appears that Juju has successfully moved all his bots to EFnet, then should we floccinaucinihilipilificate the Omninet channel and terminate the link in WalrusIRC now?
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: novenary on November 28, 2015, 08:20:33 AM
I'll take care of that.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on November 28, 2015, 08:21:59 AM
Should we make an announcement when it's done to warn people in case they haven't noticed yet? (eg the members from Omni who aren't on that often and decides to visit IRC)
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: novenary on November 28, 2015, 08:30:03 AM
I'll poke Sorunome to let me change the channel topic.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on November 28, 2015, 09:18:52 AM
I thought it was already changed? ???
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: novenary on November 28, 2015, 09:23:51 AM
Yeah but to change it again.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on November 28, 2015, 09:31:24 AM
Oh I was asking, because from what I remember, the topic already stated that the channel had moved. :P Unless you wanted to add something else there, such as CodeWalrus URL?

Also I still wonder if it's true or a joke that we already got asked to move from Omninet, because we never actually received such e-mail (unless it landed in spam then got deleted automatically?). Not that it would matter, though, since we already had planned to ditch the network on our own due to lack of users.
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: novenary on November 28, 2015, 11:21:51 AM
I'm not aware of eeems ever asking us to leave omninet (unless he asked juju).
Title: Re: IRC channel split on too many networks
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on November 28, 2015, 03:06:33 PM
Yeah it would have to have been done to one specific staff member, who then have forgotten, or he PM'ed someone with PM notifications disabled on Omni, or an e-mail was sent somewhere but never received or he was kidding. The latter option seems more likely, since we would most likely have been asked again later otherwise.

Us using Omninet was more to accomodate CW members who refused to use EFnet, while Freenode was to accomodate #knightos users. Obviously, it looks like those users either adopted EFnet (kinda makes sense, considering #Cemetech and #ti are both on EFnet only) or Telegram.