Seriously, there are no words to describe what happened in Paris today. I have read from some IRC logs that our prominent users, as well as the TI-Planet staff, are all safe, but we don't know if perhaps one or more community member was caught in the attack. I hope whoever lives in France besides the ones who showed signs of life earlier will show signs of life as soon as possible so that we know they are safe. A lot of community members live or lived in Paris. My condolences and prayers goes to the people affected by this tragedy. :'(
Now that begs the question: Who is next? Because with ISIS being spread out everywhere in small groups and now attacking civilians randomly, perhaps another country will be next tomorrow, in a week, in a month, etc. I hope that they eliminate all of those terrorists, but the problem is that they're scattered everywhere and you could be living right next to one or a future one. What boggles my mind is why certain catholics, atheists, jews, buddhists and even regular muslims decides to convert themselves then joins ISIS to kill people?
I also worry about our freedom, because if one day those attacks become out of control, will France, USA, Canada, German and other governments instate martial law to allow stuff such as searching everyone's home/computers on a regular basis, monitor all communications even more than they do now and impose curfews preventing everyone from going out? It also sucks for all peaceful muslims who left their countries due to war and have to deal with increased bigotry everytime terrorist attacks happen.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 14, 2015, 06:03:42 AM
What boggles my mind is why certain catholics, atheists, jews, buddhists and even regular muslims decides to convert themselves then joins ISIS to kill people?
That's unfortunately just the way the human mind works, propaganda is extremely strong. How do you think the nazis got their way back then ? They just brainwashed the people, who then blindly followed them. Of course some resist, but not everyone has the psychological strength to do so.
Yeah, brainwashing still exists today, sadly. :/
What I think is this mainly targets people with bad childhood or mental issues, just like the mass school shootings in USA. But instead of doing a mass shooting at school, they just join extremist groups and ISIS is the prefered one.
Also I am unsure but I think ISIS is worse than the Nazis or at least equally as bad. What they are doing is just disgusting and it seems like if ISIS had the power to do so they would go as far as performing genocides.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 14, 2015, 09:20:08 AM
What I think is this mainly targets people with bad childhood or mental issues, just like the mass school shootings in USA. But instead of doing a mass shooting at school, they just join extremist groups and ISIS is the prefered one.
Anyone is vulnerable, the 9/11 people were definitely not random dumbasses they grabbed in the streets, they knew how to fly a plane, and that's no easy feat.
Guys remember: not only the IS kills. I've read a book about resistance figthers in the irag war - the crimes 'murica did where crucial as well. And this is why I even can understand some people having anger against america and europe. (America is just one example).
Otherwise, I hope that people one day can all come together in peace. Imagine not nations, but the humanity living together, all towards one goal: making the world a better place.
Quote from: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
Anyone is vulnerable, the 9/11 people were definitely not random dumbasses they grabbed in the streets, they knew how to fly a plane, and that's no easy feat.
There is an interesting story about 09/11 I can tell you on IRC.
You can't compare these war crimes to what IS is doing, these people have their minds set on taking over the world and care more for death than for life. In a way they're much closer to the nazis. I'm not using this as an excuse for the Americans, or anyone else, but it's just on a completely different level.
Sending out my condolences to all those affected by this act of terror - I am quite worried about the state of the world at present.
Quote from: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 14, 2015, 09:20:08 AM
What I think is this mainly targets people with bad childhood or mental issues, just like the mass school shootings in USA. But instead of doing a mass shooting at school, they just join extremist groups and ISIS is the prefered one.
Anyone is vulnerable, the 9/11 people were definitely not random dumbasses they grabbed in the streets, they knew how to fly a plane, and that's no easy feat.
True, but ISIS seems to be recruiting anyone in the world now, including students. There are even Quebec students who used to be catholic and left for Syria to fight on ISIS side, and ISIS seems to mindlessly kill people regardless of the mean used to kill. If they can't fly a plane, they'll use a car and if they can't drive nor have any weapon, then they'll just charge at people like the terrorist attack last year in Quebec. They were told to use whatever mean/skill they could find to cause terror and kill.
Quote from: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2015, 09:46:14 AM
You can't compare these war crimes to what IS is doing, these people have their minds set on taking over the world and care more for death than for life. In a way they're much closer to the nazis. I'm not using this as an excuse for the Americans, or anyone else, but it's just on a completely different level.
I agree.
Also the government is partly to blame in what transpired last night. The police and the army are rendered useless by the law, they are only allowed to act in extreme cases and when their own lives are threatened. Additionally, when the police manages to catch actual criminals, most of the time court undoes their effort by letting them get away with ridiculously harmless sentences or even nothing at all because someone decided that punishing crime is bad. Yes, even people who were arrested for the same crimes multiple times, and these crimes are not small ones.
Another thing is that they finally decided to close the borders, but it's too late for that now. A lot of potential terrorists came with the refugees, so they're already in. The crime rate in all of Europe has increased since these "refugees" are there, I don't think it's a coincidence.
It depends though. In Canada and USA, police won't hesitate to shoot down terrorists and mass shooters even if it's other people's lives that are threatened and not just theirs. However, when the criminal survives the police intervention, this is when things goes haywire. In Quebec, you can be declared mentally insane during the crime and get away with it, like Guy Turcotte, who murdered his two kids and still got away with it.
As for the refugees, while I am ok with immigrants fleeing war, allowing them in poses a security threat IMHO because some terrorists use this occasion to sneak into other countries. This is why Canada was reluctant about allowing them in. I'm not racist or anything but if they are allowed into countries, authorities will need to occasionally search their homes or monitor their offline/online activities to ensure they aren't part of an extremist group.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 14, 2015, 10:15:56 AM
It depends though. In Canada and USA, police won't hesitate to shoot down terrorists and mass shooters even if it's other people's lives that are threatened and not just theirs. However, when the criminal survives the police intervention, this is when things goes haywire. In Quebec, you can be declared mentally insane during the crime and get away with it, like Guy Turcotte, who murdered his two kids and still got away with it.
In France the law prevents the police from doing anything until the criminals act, which means that even a premeditated thing is impossible to counter, in other words there will always be damages. Over here the security is strong, there are controls at the entry of every building including shopping malls, cinemas, train stations, etc.
As for the "refugees", it's not even a problem with what you're quoting, they are blatantly violating the law, and disturb people by doing things like monopolizing multiple seats in trains by lying down on them to sleep. The army is there but they can't do anything.
What a way to start a day... Now i feel like s*** again.
They said 'blackboxes' would stop them, they said spying on us would save us...
Yeah right my ass.
I said it since the Charly Hebdo massacre, it's the fault of the muslims here in France taking advantage of the youth poverty
and pushing them to do horrible massacres such as these because adults from 18 to 25 years old are not getting any money from the state,
not even the RSA.
To fight and stop ISIS, we must first help the poor (like a basic income) and tell them not to switch to the dark side.
I hope Hollande will realise how foolish he was when he thought he would stop them by spying on us...
RIP to the victims
I absolutely have no words. I feel sorry for the people there and I am afraid as France is so close to Germany. They have to be stopped. I am sure God hates want what they do. Why don't they consider that? Or do they just want to spread terror?
Quote from: DarkestEx on November 14, 2015, 12:43:35 PM
I absolutely have no words. I feel sorry for the people there and I am afraid as France is so close to Germany. They have to be stopped. I am sure God hates want what they do. Why don't they consider that? Or do they just want to spread terror?
I think they use their god as an excuse to do what they do. But then iirc, I think Islam doesn't want you to harm anyone. It's all just messed up.
Quote from: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2015, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 14, 2015, 10:15:56 AM
It depends though. In Canada and USA, police won't hesitate to shoot down terrorists and mass shooters even if it's other people's lives that are threatened and not just theirs. However, when the criminal survives the police intervention, this is when things goes haywire. In Quebec, you can be declared mentally insane during the crime and get away with it, like Guy Turcotte, who murdered his two kids and still got away with it.
In France the law prevents the police from doing anything until the criminals act, which means that even a premeditated thing is impossible to counter, in other words there will always be damages. Over here the security is strong, there are controls at the entry of every building including shopping malls, cinemas, train stations, etc.
As for the "refugees", it's not even a problem with what you're quoting, they are blatantly violating the law, and disturb people by doing things like monopolizing multiple seats in trains by lying down on them to sleep. The army is there but they can't do anything.
Then governments need to step up and instate new laws. Or other people need to do their own justice. For example, in Quebec City, if someone used the 801 bus line then did that, you can be assured that other commuters would tell them in their face. Also if refugees tried to instate their own rules then citizens would tell them "You are in Quebec. You are welcome here, but if you don't want to respect our laws and allow us to keep our culture, then go back where you came from".
Quote from: Araidia on November 14, 2015, 02:34:58 PM
Quote from: DarkestEx on November 14, 2015, 12:43:35 PM
I absolutely have no words. I feel sorry for the people there and I am afraid as France is so close to Germany. They have to be stopped. I am sure God hates want what they do. Why don't they consider that? Or do they just want to spread terror?
I think they use their god as an excuse to do what they do. But then iirc, I think Islam doesn't want you to harm anyone. It's all just messed up.
Yeah that's what I think. THey give their religion a bad name.
Actually, you guys have it backwards. A lot of muslims (the majority actually) leave peacefully like everyone else, but the religion itself is strongly oriented towards conquering the world, killing people refusing to convert, being violent to women, and dying while fighting for islam is considered a holy act. I'm not inventing this, it's all in the kuran, I've seen some excerpts of it and it's just disgusting. There is a peaceful part in it and a violent part, it's simply up to the individual/group to choose which to follow, but the bad name is coming from there.
Isn't the good part muslim and the bad part islamic?
No, muslim = person who belong to the islamic religion.
Those who follow the violent part of the book are usually called islamists because they want to spread their religion.
Yeah, I was watching it last night it was really crazy O.O
There are islamic people and then there are radical islamic people DJ
Quote from: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2015, 02:56:48 PM
Those who follow the violent part of the book are usually called islamists because they want to spread their religion.
Just open the bible or any other religious book to read violent stuff.
Well, the difference is that nowadays, christians and jews aren't following these writings in huge organizations, everyone has moved on from religion wars except them.
In history we had the question (before that ISIS stuff started) if there are any crusades nowadays. Our teacher declared Afghanistan, iraq and more as them.
Well, no matter of that, somehow the things the ISIS do has to be stopped...
I don't know how your teacher made the link, but the reasons for these wars are not to convert the countries to christianity or whatever (which is what the crusades were for), but to stomp sources of worldwide terror. There was abuse, but it's different.
That's my personal opinion, but I think 'trying to stomp sources of global terror' made it worse. Peace is what we need, not war.
Well I agree, but when a fly keeps harassing you, at one point you get fed up and try to smash it, with more or less success.
By the way I feel like we should move this thread to safe haven, I don't think it's a good idea to leave it public, I don't want to censor opinions and I'd also rather avoid any kind of attack against the site for them. <_<
The only sane way to react to such tragedies is refuse to be terrorized, and avoid destroying core aspects of our Western societies, such as democracy, liberty, free speech. Precisely, leading us to destroy ourselves is among the terrorists' goal, so let's not cave in.
Sadly, mass surveillance laws, which have just proved inefficient once again, and will prove inefficient again in the future (because they only aim at catching some consequences, and thoroughly - and predictably - fail at it, but do nothing about the well-identified causes of terrorism), are a giant step in the wrong direction, towards all-out dictatorship without liberty, free speech, democracy... and without safety against terrorists, either.
The TPP, TAFTA, TISA, and other suchlike extreme crap, are giant - and not unrelated, in fact, because the main benefactors of these PoS belong to the same, narrow sociological classes of people (military / finance / some industry classes), to the detriment of 95+% of the population - steps in the wrong direction, too.
Who knows, with people's attention being distracted by terrorist attacks, it might be easier to ram such dangerous international treaties down people's throats up people's asses, eh ?
Yeah, as an american, I'm more concerned about the threat our own government poses when they react to this than actually being attacked (although that may happen too). The whole war on terror and mass surveillance has been a disaster, from the TSA to Afghanistan. I personally don't think the American people have the will to fight, they're weak and docile. They want to put the responsibility for fighting terror on the shoulders of the government and personally have to courage or strong belief in justice, en mass.
Also, Street is right, Islam is a religion of violence, according to it's own book. You can believe what their own book says, or you can believe what they actually *do*; what they believe is clearly death and violence, it's in their creed, as to whether or not they carry it out, obviously some do and some don't - it's correct to say the majority of muslims are peaceful, but with the stuff the Koran says, I think it's an evil religion anyways. While there has been some violence perpetrated by Christians, there's no doubt violence is condemned in the Bible, and I would definitely question if anyone knows of any examples of Christians actually killing people like ISIS is doing.
Islam is not a religion of violence. It's more like being used as a religion of violence in my opinion.
So all these quotations are all just being taken out of context? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm)
Quote from: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2015, 03:34:37 PM
By the way I feel like we should move this thread to safe haven, I don't think it's a good idea to leave it public, I don't want to censor opinions and I'd also rather avoid any kind of attack against the site for them. <_<
If you do so, you let them win. They successfully censored free speech then :-\
Just open a friggin' bible.
EDIT:
Sorry for that tone. But anyways: I hate when people say that islam is allbad. It just isn't true.
Quote from: Caleb Hansberry on November 14, 2015, 06:22:47 PM
So all these quotations are all just being taken out of context? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm)
Thanks for linking quotes, my exposing the issue without any backing evidence is kinda useless.
Quote from: p4nix on November 14, 2015, 06:51:55 PM
Just open a friggin' bible.
Please tone it down, if you want to prove that christianity or any other religion is also violent, give proof. And stay calm, if this threads goes out of hand I'll lock it right away, this will be my only warning.
Quote from: DarkestEx on November 14, 2015, 06:36:45 PM
Quote from: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2015, 03:34:37 PM
By the way I feel like we should move this thread to safe haven, I don't think it's a good idea to leave it public, I don't want to censor opinions and I'd also rather avoid any kind of attack against the site for them. <_<
If you do so, you let them win. They successfully censored free speech then :-\
I guess you're right.
Quote from: p4nix on November 14, 2015, 06:51:55 PM
Just open a friggin' bible.
And what does the Bible say about whether Islam is a violent religion or not?
I only have a german bible laying around here, and I'm too lazy to search for the quote. But also the bibles says that non-christians should be killed.
There's a huge difference between what the sacred texts of the respective religions state, and what human beings do with those statements...
Throughout history, for a fact:
* Christians have killed and still kill Christians, Muslims, Jews;
* Muslims have killed and still kill Muslims, Christians, Jews;
* Jews have killed and still kill Muslims, Jews (Yithzak Rabin...), though admittedly seldom Christians.
As usual, extremists, which are a small minority, screw up everything. But with religion-induced wars killing (dozens of ?) millions of human beings, I think we can stop trying to discuss which religion, as implemented by imperfect human beings driven by fear, hatred and resent, is more / less peaceful.
Quote from: p4nix on November 14, 2015, 06:56:26 PM
I only have a german bible laying around here, and I'm too lazy to search for the quote. But also the bibles says that non-christians should be killed.
But then most christians don't hate on other non-christians
Quote from: Araidia on November 14, 2015, 09:42:57 PM
But then most christians don't hate on other non-christians
I can show you a lot of Muslims which don't hate me. And I don't even believe in god, which is worse.
What the west did with many countries in the middle east can be referred to as terrorism as well. That shouldn't have been done back then, but now it's too late. So let's defeat the real issues. Low education, differences between rich and poor and other stuff. BTW: young adults and teens which are recruited by the IS from Europe aren't necessarily from a lower educated family. In fact, they often even come from families which aren't radicalized at all and which worry a lot of their children.
On a side note: I don't know whether this should be put on safe haven or not. On the one hand, we drop our freedom of speech as DarkestEx said, but on the other hand, this might be a private discussion between us members of CW. And CW is not the platform for official debate on politics I guess.
Quote from: Streetwalrus on November 14, 2015, 03:34:37 PM
Well I agree, but when a fly keeps harassing you, at one point you get fed up and try to smash it, with more or less success.
By the way I feel like we should move this thread to safe haven, I don't think it's a good idea to leave it public, I don't want to censor opinions and I'd also rather avoid any kind of attack against the site for them. <_<
Just like the Charlie Hebdo incident, I don't think we should cave in to people who wants to restrict our freedoms. We have something that is somewhat close to free speech here (only limited by our forum rules and laws) and we have the right to complain about acts of terrors publicly as much as we want. I'll only lock the topic if it goes out of hand (eg discrimination or trolling). Just make sure to keep it on the forums, not IRC.
Besides, I disagree with p4nix about how only peace can fight terrorism. Terrorisms will kill us no matter if we leave them alone or not. They already attacked Canada (twice) for absolute no reason. While I don't like war, especially when started over stupid matters or with total lack of transparency (eg the Iraq War), sometimes we have no choice if we want to keep our freedom.
As of now any measure used to stop ISIS will most likely prove futile since they have spread everywhere. All around the US, Canada, Mexico to just name a few. All they need is time to make a plan and the supplies to carry it out. The government restricting conceal-carry gun permits just make it more likely for something to be successful since no one can protect themselves. Imagine how many people would have been saved if someone had a concealed firearm in the concert and could have taken out those shooters.
It is not a matter of who is being killed or who is killing the people terrorism has to be stopped one way or another.
Well there are large groups in Syria and Iraq. So at least if they can take those down that would be a start. It would most likely result into backlash from the ones located elsewhere, but they'll attack either way one day.
I'm thinking World War III will neither be a nuclear war nor another allies vs axis war, but rather a global war against terrorism. What I wonder is if Canada, USA, etc, will re-instate conscription?
QuoteThe government restricting conceal-carry gun permits just make it more likely for something to be successful since no one can protect themselves. Imagine how many people would have been saved if someone had a concealed firearm in the concert and could have taken out those shooters.
Er... since when wide gun availability
really helps kill the perpetrators of those all too many mass shooting sprees in e.g. US universities ? ;)
On the contrary, it's a fact that wide gun availability
enables mass shootings. The USA has an insanely high death toll by guns.
Every week, on average, 200+ persons die because of guns in the USA, which is more than the combined deaths of this week's Beirut and Paris attacks, or the death toll of the Bali night club bombing ! And relatedly, France, which has much control on guns, has a relatively low rate of domestic violence with guns. This is very obviously not a coincidence ;)
Please watch the Bowling For Columbine (especially) and Elephant movies, and please quit blurting the same insanities as Donald Trump, which got himself a well-deserved smackdown by e.g. the French ambassador. I hope that the USA gets an official complaint (as in, the USA ambassador in France being called by French officials to receive the complaints) about him.
I agree with Alex. So-called gun control does nothing but transfer guns from honest citizens to ones who wish to do illegal things with them. The world would be a better place if citizens were allowed to use guns for self defense and were trained in how to use them safely.
Suppose you're in a movie theater. Out of, say 100 people there, 8 if them have guns. All eight are irresponsible maniacs because supposedly, that's the effect that less gun control has. The effect? Either less people go to movie theaters, making them an inferior target for mass murderers, making them safer and thus evening things out, or more people go to movie theatres prepared for the off chance that someone will pull a stunt, also making them an inferior target. Of course I don't suggest throwing guns out into crowds and letting everyone carry one, no matter who. But no matter what the critics say, would-be gunmen target places where they know guns are banned so they won't themselves get shot.
To get a concealed carry permit you need to go through a lot of training, background checks and all that stuff and it should stay that way. If anyone could go to a store, get a gun stuff it in their jacket and walk away I would say that the laws need to change.
And it is scary to think what will happen to firearms used for hunting. I go out hunting a lot and use bows/ firearms responsibly but if they take that away that is also going to far.
I wouldn't want to be near someone manipulating a gun without any previous training. He might not even know any of the safety rules about guns and his gun could go off by accident.
Quote from: alexgt on November 15, 2015, 05:40:46 PM
To get a concealed carry permit you need to go through a lot of training, background checks and all that stuff and it should stay that way. If anyone could go to a store, get a gun stuff it in their jacket and walk away I would say that the laws need to change.
And it is scary to think what will happen to firearms used for hunting. I go out hunting a lot and use bows/ firearms responsibly but if they take that away that is also going to far.
Honestly, this. And if you restrict concealed carry permits, then the people who will go to jail anyways for killing people won't have a problem with concealing a gun without a permit. The only people who would abide by the law abide by the law anyways by not killing people. Like stated above, don't give guns away willy-nilly. Eventually a gun will land in the hand of a terrorist.
But on the other hand, pulling a concealed gun on a shooter will make them more likely to shoot you first. It'll also give them access to another gun. It seems there's no right answer other than to not give guns to insane people. But that's not possible. If someone who's going to go to jail wants to get a gun, they'll do it illegally, if not legally. So fighting illegal gun sales seems like the best idea. But maybe that's just me.
You are right but it is the most difficult thing to fight illegal gun sales.
If you have a gun you better just pull the trigger before the terrorist notices.
Quote from: alexgt on November 15, 2015, 06:05:42 PM
If you have a gun you better just pull the trigger before the terrorist notices.
As if that was so easy. How about avoiding terrorists before killing them? :P
How do you avoid someone when you don't know who they are?
The causes why people get terrorists are mainly known.
Quote from: p4nix on November 15, 2015, 07:49:05 PM
The causes why people get terrorists are mainly known.
In your opinion, terrorism attacks are always everyone else's fault? <_<
Woo. France has closed its borders and imposed a curfew. Poland is trying to refuse any further refugees. And I'm still waiting for the rest of our resident xenophobe parties to make some tasteless remark capitalising on this stuff for political points.
Not sure if sensationalism, plus this is over a month old, but still somewhat relevant to what might be ISIS goals: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3253789/Isis-planning-nuclear-holocaust-wipe-hundreds-millions-face-earth-claims-reporter-embedded-extremists.html . I personally always thought that their goal was to turn Earth into 1984.
Now the question is if they will be stopped before they get their hands on said nukes or invade developed countries in droves.
This isn't related to Paris, but still relevant: ISIS salutes the massacre that occured in California a few days ago, but there is no indication that they were directly involved: http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2015/12/05/des-partisans-de-letat-islamique-responsables-de-la-tuerie
The fact it's another mass shooting in USA brings back the gun debate, except the problem is that if ISIS members or serial killers want guns, they'll get them in whatever mean they can, regardless of if there are stricter gun laws or not. At least, IMHO. It could help reducing mass shootings considerably, though, if guns were not this rampant and if there were stricter laws about secure gun storage in homes.
America is probably the biggest weapons manufacterer for isis.
Oftopic, but the friday after the shootings, someone was launching fireworks at 3:00AM :P
Yeah i saw something on 4chan about it
Quote from: c4ooo on December 06, 2015, 04:17:06 PM
Oftopic, but the friday after the shootings, someone was launching fireworks at 3:00AM :P
I seriously hope it was not in response to the shooting. SOmetimes, I lose faith in humanity and it's almost like if we already live in a dystopia where all hell can break loose and where people are just gone mad (just see Black Friday frenzy O.O).
Well, I'm safe :p
No, seriously, me and noelnadal were the most close on TI-Planet to the attacks, at only 8 little kilometers from these bulls*** crazy non-humans. I'm really upset. I only want the USA and Europe to come attack them and kill them all, they don not deserve the human species.
QuoteI only want the USA and Europe to come attack them and kill them all
That's precisely part of the terrorists' plan.
Therefore, we should avoid what you're suggesting (though I really hope that was a troll), at all costs.Another part of the terrorists' plan is pushing our societies towards committing democratic suicide, and unfortunately, this has been a rousing success in France over the past few weeks... We're fast heading towards dictatorship here, with bills being circulated to make the state of emergency of indeterminate length, forbid open WiFi, forbid Tor (both things that dictatorships like Iran and guess what, ISIS itself, are doing !), and whatnot crimes against citizens.
Like September 9/11, a tiny bunch of terrorists with comparatively very low funding has had fantastically huge negative impact on our society. Our insane rulers are making all kinds of stupid moves to widen the terrorists' victory !
Good luck forbidding Tor. How would you even start to do that? (user agents are changable)
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 15, 2015, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: p4nix on November 15, 2015, 07:49:05 PM
The causes why people get terrorists are mainly known.
In your opinion, terrorism attacks are always everyone else's fault? <_<
Nope! Of course, the main fault is the terrorists fault - but you don't get from one day to the other to killing people, do you?
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on December 07, 2015, 05:05:12 AM
Quote from: c4ooo on December 06, 2015, 04:17:06 PM
Oftopic, but the friday after the shootings, someone was launching fireworks at 3:00AM :P
I seriously hope it was not in response to the shooting. SOmetimes, I lose faith in humanity and it's almost like if we already live in a dystopia where all hell can break loose and where people are just gone mad (just see Black Friday frenzy O.O).
Well, to tell more of the story, i had a buddy at school who planned to launch fireworks that friday / weekend, but when i asked him later about it he said he said that he "saw the news and was like "yea i better post pone this :3 "".
Also there is no effective way to fight terrorism (or homocide, for that matter) becouse you cant realy predict who has a gun and yea... :P
Also i probably have a higher risk of dieng from a crash tomorrow then i had of dieng in paris during the attack. :P
That's unless ISIS has more members than we think and actually decides to pull a First Fantasy II tomorrow where they basically murder the entire population of the United States and the rest of the world overnight, then get hit by nukes by survivors <_<
But that is unlikely for now. :P
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(source: 2010 The Times interview, not verified in any way by me) (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/12/professional-atheist-dawkins-says-christianity-bulwark-against-something-worse/)
Depends. Wasn't there some derivatives from Christianity that advocated discrimination against certain groups of people, like Westboro Baptist Church?
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2016, 08:30:09 AM
Depends. Wasn't there some derivatives from Christianity that advocated discrimination against certain groups of people, like Westboro Baptist Church?
That's actually a church, not a denomination, so they're very small and fringy. Over-publicized though. And I don't think there are any other christian groups that promote any sort of discrimination.
Quote from: Caleb Hansberry on January 13, 2016, 08:32:43 AM
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 13, 2016, 08:30:09 AM
Depends. Wasn't there some derivatives from Christianity that advocated discrimination against certain groups of people, like Westboro Baptist Church?
That's actually a church, not a denomination, so they're very small and fringy. Over-publicized though. And I don't think there are any other christian groups that promote any sort of discrimination.
Not entirely true. Every religion has its radical groupings; some are just more prominent than others.
Some cursory research shows that there was a militant christian group fairly recently in the CAR, destroying every mosque it could get its hands on.
The LRA, over in Uganda, classifies itself as christian as well. The ones known for using child soldiers, massacres, widespread rape, among a host of other things.
Not to mention that it's not that long ago that there was major cross-denominational violence up in northern ireland.
So, yeah. You see intolerance and fanaticism everywhere, tbh.
Ugh, another mass shooting, this time in Orlando in a gay club. 53 dead and 53 injured. According to TVA news it's a terrorist attack and the killer might be an Islamic State follower. :/
what about the terrorist attack in shanghai airport?
I did not hear about it in the newa yet. Did it happen today too? That makes me not feel as safe around large crowds. Ideally when I attend a concert at a venue I first check around me if there is a good place where to hide or exit, in case I would need to. It could happen to us too in Quebec.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 12, 2016, 05:56:46 PM
Ugh, another mass shooting, this time in Orlando in a gay club. 53 dead and 53 injured. According to TVA news it's a terrorist attack and the killer might be an Islamic State follower. :/
Its confirmed its IS' doing :/
At first I thought this was some anti LGBT extremist due to who were victim of it, but then I discovered it was ISIS. Also yesterday night I first read about a shooting in that bar and it seemed like only a few died. I was already shocked by the incident. But then I was at loss of words.
Also before people spits on the 2nd amendment (not that I am really pro-gun but guns don't kill people if owners use common sense), this is ISIS we are talking about here. Even if all firearms were illegal the terrorist group would have smuggled them through the border or using other means.
ISIS? ??? I haven't heard anything about them being behind the attack in Orlando...
Local news said the guy was very into Islamic State and was a fan of them.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 12, 2016, 10:00:13 PM
Also before people spits on the 2nd amendment (not that I am really pro-gun but guns don't kill people if owners use common sense), this is ISIS we are talking about here. Even if all firearms were illegal the terrorist group would have smuggled them through the border or using other means.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2016, 01:15:57 PM
Local news said the guy was very into Islamic State and was a fan of them.
Well, if he was only a fan of them and not sent by them, he probably bought his stuff himself so more regulation could have helped. Though with enough determination, he would probably have managed to get what he wanted anyway.
It's because of ISIS that Star Ocean V got censored and now they are killing my brothers....
I'll destroy Mosul
This is a terrible event, that is all too familiar of late :(.
I'm not sure what has to be done, however *something* does need to be done.
Quote from: Hayleia on June 13, 2016, 02:19:23 PM
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 12, 2016, 10:00:13 PM
Also before people spits on the 2nd amendment (not that I am really pro-gun but guns don't kill people if owners use common sense), this is ISIS we are talking about here. Even if all firearms were illegal the terrorist group would have smuggled them through the border or using other means.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 13, 2016, 01:15:57 PM
Local news said the guy was very into Islamic State and was a fan of them.
Well, if he was only a fan of them and not sent by them, he probably bought his stuff himself so more regulation could have helped. Though with enough determination, he would probably have managed to get what he wanted anyway.
The problem is that even without the 2nd amendment, people can still buy guns on the black market quite easily if they know where to look and if that fails then they can do it on the Internet it seems. When someone wants to perform a crime he'll go to every length to do it.
Quote from: gameblabla on June 13, 2016, 11:32:39 PM
It's because of ISIS that Star Ocean V got censored and now they are killing my brothers....
I'll destroy Mosul
Wait, did they actually kill members from your family like your mom, dad, uncle and stuff? O.O I hope not.
Quote from: tr1p1ea on June 14, 2016, 12:05:24 AM
This is a terrible event, that is all too familiar of late :(.
I'm not sure what has to be done, however *something* does need to be done.
The main issue is that whatever can be done would either be unethical and discrimatory or cause World War III. I don't think an entire religious group should be deported from USA like some people thinks Trump wants to do, because of the action of a few radicalized people. But I think they might have to do extra surveillance in their home or whatever, which won't fly with everyone, especially with all complaints about the NSA and stuff. The other drastic solution would be that countries break out of the UNO and attack ISIS headquarters/outposts all-in, even if Russia is against it. But then this could cause certain countries like Russia, Saoudi Arabia and Iran to retaliate and attack USA or something.
Basically we need to eradicate ISIS, but we need to find a way to do it in a way that won't turn North America and Europe into civil war nor turn the world into WW3.
Definitely a sad and scary thing to happen. :C
And all that because Obama didn't want to attack Assad in 2012 when UN discovered these cing killin' gases... Remember that all that began in 2013 during Iraqi confessional wars between chii and sunni Muslims. Back in the days news were predicting a split of Iraq between Peshmergas, the regular govt. and sunni rebels, but rebels became ISIS O.O A real intervention of US or EU in this war would permit the loss of ISIS in less than 2 months, but now Putin is helping Assad to kill Syrian rebels, Turkish govt is bullying Kurdish people and Iraqi govt. is left alone to fight ISIS...
About 2nd amendement, I find this one ridiculous, for the simple reason that if some cs can do attacks in countries where guns are prohibited, what about a country where you can buy a Kalachnikov like you can buy a sandwich ? It's ridiculous, now anyone living in the US could decide to kill 1,000 people on the moment, and get the necessary guns easily <_<
QuoteWait, did they actually kill members from your family like your mom, dad, uncle and stuff? O.O I hope not.
No, i was implying something else...
QuoteAnd all that because Obama didn't want to attack Assad in 2012 when UN discovered these f***ing killin' gases...
Obama was right not to attack Assad.
If they defeated Assad back in the day, ISIS would have claimed his territory and that would be even worse...
QuoteA real intervention of US or EU in this war would permit the loss of ISIS in less than 2 months, but now Putin is helping Assad to kill Syrian rebels, Turkish govt is bullying Kurdish people and Iraqi govt. is left alone to fight ISIS...
I agree, they had like almost 2 years to get rid of ISIS but instead they would rather make laws like the Intelligence Bill rather than actually
defeating ISIS...
They need to be more aggressive in their bombings i think. (You have nuclear warheads for a reason...)
QuoteBasically we need to eradicate ISIS, but we need to find a way to do it in a way that won't turn North America and Europe into civil war nor turn the world into WW3.
Sadly, it seems that WW3 is going to be more and more likely...
Why is UAE supporting Al-Nusra ? (which in turn, is supported by the US)
And the US seems hesitant to bomb ISIS due to the oil raffineries they control...
And apart from the Iraqis, it seems that everyone else (Turks, Assad...) has other concerns...
I would prefer if they didn't use nukes. Those things are better kept locked away because they're way too drastic.
ISIS is too spread out and mixed up with regular people to make nukes useable at all. If they use a nuke against the largest ISIS population then they also render half of Iraq and Syria uninhabitable for 50 years.
Yeah, it's not always the best idea to "bomb the hell out of 'em."
On a side note, the fact they now target minority groups such as LGBT people makes me fear something in the future. You know how, for example, when police shoots down a black person or when someone mass-murders a lot of black people, a series of riots often ensue afterwards, and that it's also the case with other groups of people, right? Well, what if ISIS wasn't actually trying to stir riots and social unrest by attacking such group of people one by one? Then police gets busy stopping riots and have less time to stop future terrorist attacks. I hope that's not what's happening.
Creating fear, resent and hatred (the three most powerful human sentiments, closely followed by hubris-type pride) is the terrorists' goal - and to achieve such aims, attacking groups of people one by one and stirring social unrest is one of the many efficient tactics.
QuoteThen police gets busy stopping riots and have less time to stop future terrorist attacks. I hope that's not what's happening.
It's not that the police (or the goverment) care about potential terrorists...
They seem to be more worried of protests than actual threats : look at France...
There is nothing to fear as they are on the verge of being defeated.
Also, apparently, the orlando guy was homosexual... lol...
Yeah. What I mean, though, is that terrorists used to create fear by forcing authorities to add stricter controls at the borders. For example, until the 9/11 attacks it was possible to cross the US/Canada border without a passport. Also now in sports stadiums they often search you with metal detectors and it takes forever to get in. Basically, they tried to scare people from going in crowded places.
My worry was if they also started causing social unrest in the same way that trolls causes fights on forums without even participating to the discussion. That could cripple police/army forces.
Quote from: gameblabla on June 17, 2016, 06:33:46 AM
QuoteThen police gets busy stopping riots and have less time to stop future terrorist attacks. I hope that's not what's happening.
It's not that the police (or the goverment) care about potential terrorists...
They seem to be more worried of protests than actual threats : look at France...
There is nothing to fear as they are on the verge of being defeated.
Also, apparently, the orlando guy was homosexual... lol...
If terrorists themselves starts causing protests unrelated to the terrorism then that could get out of hand even more, though. Also if the terrorist was gay then I am not surprised.
And now Quebec City's reputation of being a safe place bites the dust: A shooting happened in a mosquee last night, killing 6 people. AK-47 weapon was used, indicating that the terrorist attack was being prepared since a long time. The confusing part, though, is that one of the killer called the police himself to surrender, several miles away from the crime scene. We can't jump to conclusions yet, but one of the killer has an Arabic name from Morrocan origins and the other a Quebec name, which makes it even more confusing.
The Morrocan guy wasn't involved, he was mistakenly identified as the shooter as he ran away from the police he mistakenly identified as the shooter. Of course, this is not something Fox News or any racist Facebook commenter would buy. Everything leads to the fact there was one Quebecer, white supremacist, lone wolf.
Also I live at like 20 minutes from that mosque, it was a bit terrifying.
Yeah they updated the news after my post. I'm glad he wasn't involved. To me I think the other guy who is now accused acted on his own, not from an extremist group.