Quote from: Juju on January 08, 2015, 07:16:17 AM
I'm on Windows Vista >.>
(yes I know this computer came with it and we never bothered upgrading it)
Vista might be my favorite windows operating system. I know it has its flaws, but its definitely the cleanest, most visually appealing, and has the best taskbar by far.
*cough*Windows 7*cough*
Quote from: LD Studios on January 08, 2015, 12:58:36 PM
Vista might be my favorite windows operating system. I know it has its flaws, but its definitely the cleanest, most visually appealing, and has the best taskbar by far.
wat.
You can bring back the old taskbar on newer versions. And 8/8.1 actually looks cleaner. :P
I'm actually digging some changes they made since 7 (and no I'm not worshiping ms anytime soon, I have windows solely for the purpose of gaming. :P
Windows 8.1 > all
If factor in that Linux > any Windows then you're wrong.
Btw can we really say we're drifting off topic since there's no topic ? :trollface:
Quote from: Streetwalrus on January 08, 2015, 03:06:28 PM
If factor in that Linux > any Windows then you're wrong.
Btw can we really say we're drifting off topic since there's no topic ? :trollface:
Windows as client, not server.
What do you mean? Do you mean that linux is only good for servers? Because that's not true :P
We're quite a bunch here to run Linux on our dekstops/laptops on a daily basis. If windows was better we wouldn't have switched. :P
Oh also, if you have an Android phone, it's linux too.
And if you have an Ithing, it's an *nix, cousin of linux, belonging to the while UNIX family (more specifically, it's a fork from BSD)
Im using windows for my desktop too, but i also use linux (ubuntu) for my laptop (which i use as server since its screen is broken). My fathers desktop uses linux debian, but it has the WORST user interface (gnome 3 i believe, the one without a desktop).
Also: android best mobile os
Hmmm gnome 3 sucks balls yes, but other desktops like KDE (though this needs a pretty beefy machine because omg resources), Mate (gnome 2 fork), or Xfce are much nicer. I myself use a custom desktop environment though, because I prefer to use a tiling window manager and I use terminal based software most of the time. :P
It all depends on whats your intentions are to use it for
in the end (it doesnt even matter)
The lack of a classic start menu is the only reason that makes me hate Windows 8 and 8.1. I'll skip straight to Windows 10
Exactly why dont have 8 or 8.1.
Also theyre just being lazy, porting mobile osses to desktop <_<
You can get the classic menu back with classic shell. But honestly, it's not really necessary.
And that's totally wrong Cumred, windows 8 is the same os, it's just that they made major changes to the ui for touchscreens but they don't work out quite as well on a fully mouse driven computer. At least not with the default settings. As a keyboard freak, I don't like any windows version anyway because it has horrible keyboard shortcuts (that is, not enough to be usable without a mouse).
CheesOS > all xD
It's only 512 bytes and has a stunning 0 downloads!
It would help if we knew what CheesOS is :P
Its an OS he made to see what os developement was like :p
I'm pretty sure OmniOS (http://sourceforge.net/projects/omnios/) > all :P
It shall be second only to WalriiOS.
Now make a walrii android 5 rom.
Edit: walrom.
Quote from: Scipi on January 08, 2015, 11:59:17 PM
I'm pretty sure OmniOS (http://sourceforge.net/projects/omnios/) > all :P
It shall be second only to WalriiOS.
Ooh I think I remember trying that in a VM before and it was pretty cool :D
If someone ever makes a Walrii OS it should have Walrii speak at the beginning like in my videos :P
Oh dear, that'll be irritating
Not if it's only at the start of the boot sequence :P
Still xd
Ah yeah I remember OmniOS, good times.
Quote from: Streetwalrus on January 08, 2015, 02:46:58 PM
You can bring back the old taskbar on newer versions. And 8/8.1 actually looks cleaner. :P
I'm actually digging some changes they made since 7 (and no I'm not worshiping ms anytime soon, I have windows solely for the purpose of gaming. :P
8 might be cleaner, but I can't stand the layout >.<
Also, you can set up a similar taskbar on 7, but not the same exact thing
Yeah i dont really like the touchscreen focus on 8/8.1 too.
I hope win10 will be better :/
I'll be installing 8.1 this weekend. Windows more like gamedows.
I personally would like to dual-boot with a Windows 7 (or eventually 10) and Linux install (preferably something more user-friendly for long-time Windows users like Mint or Ubuntu) so that I can still game on the same computer where I develop stuff or do things I can't do on Windows, but the problem is that over the last decade, I heard too many horror stories about dual-booting attempts, including recently with Streetwalrus and this makes me relunctant about even trying it, especially that most people with who it happened were experienced Linux/computer users. I don't want Linux to eat my Windows install or vice-versa.
My other solution was that when I would get a new computer, I would format the old one then load Linux on it, but everytime I get a new computer the old computer starts failing and I don't feel like getting it repaired, since it would cost more than a brand new computer >.<
Ever heard of wubi? its a program that automatically dualboots your pc with linux.
It may be the 'easy' solution, but hey, it works and wont kill your PC. thats how i installed Linux on my laptop.
http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
I never heard of it. Does it auto-installs everything properly or is it just like how you run Linux on a TI-Nspire via nLaunchy (where Linux is never actually installed on the system, but rather launched like a regular software)?
I don't have a nSpire so i don't really know what it is but yeah, you install it and when you reboot your PC you get the option to boot
into Ubuntu.
Ahh ok that's better then. I'll need to look into it and see if it's recommended or not.
If you want to have an alternative to using wubi to only be able to install Ubuntu, you could first record your MBR (the first KB of your booting HDD IIRC), install a Linux in dual boot, where grub will override said MBR, and once you want to get rid of the Linux part, format its partitions and restore the MBR.
Dual-booting ubuntu next to windows (i.e. installing windows first then ubuntu) is really easy. The thing is that windows expects to be installed on an empty disk, and guess what, if linux is on there the disk isn't empty, that complicates installing windows next to ubuntu. ALso regarding wubi, that isn't really installing Ubuntu but more like nLaunchy.
Wubi is like a normal installation, but it doesn't touch your partitions, instead installing in a file and adds the option to boot on that file in the Windows bootloader.
Also, most installation CDs boot on a complete desktop without touching anything on your computer, so you can try it before installing.
Ooh I didn't realize the latter. Thanks for letting me know. It would definitively be nice to be able to try an OS before I install it in case I don't like it or want to compare. :)
I recommend WUBI if you're not going to mess with partitions but installing Ubuntu on a windows machine is really easy (especially with the live cd ones or whatever they're called).
Quote from: Eiyeron on January 09, 2015, 04:38:04 PM
If you want to have an alternative to using wubi to only be able to install Ubuntu, you could first record your MBR (the first KB of your booting HDD IIRC), install a Linux in dual boot, where grub will override said MBR, and once you want to get rid of the Linux part, format its partitions and restore the MBR.
512 bytes actually. :P
1024 so we're safe. Or just clone the whole disk.
*nix OSs are the only OSs worth using IMO
[spoiler]OSX doesn't count[/spoiler]
OS X kind of counts to me. Only because it's the most commercially supported *nix OS and Adobe works on it. But it's not best *nix.
Can't OS X only be installed on computers that cost $2500 minimum just for the name, though? :P
Hackintosh >.>
Oh, right, I forgot about that one. Is it legal or not?
According to Apple's ToS, no. And it's kind of hard anyway, because drivers hardly exists for hardware other than Apple's, but it's doable.
Ah I see. I was curious since some people say it's legal to install a CAS OS on a non-CAS TI-Nspire model. However, TI-OSes are offered for free by TI themselves so in their case it might have been more an ethic issue than legal. On the other hand, I also remember the Sony vs Georges Hotz lawsuit matter just for a jailbreak x.x
Well yeah, it's indeed comparable to TI, but in this case, the OS isn't distributed anywhere other than with new Macs (calculators don't normally have internet so they can't update by themselves, that's why the TI OS is distributed for free) and it could potentially be installed on other hardware, unlike the TI OS.
Quote from: Juju on January 29, 2015, 03:49:15 AM
calculators don't normally have internet so they can't update by themselves
...for now. I wouldn't be surprised if TI actually made a calc that automatically connects to some proprietary TI ISP reachable worldwide then force every OS update on the user unless the battery is dead. That would cost them a crapload of money to setup and run but they're so anti-Ndless that they would probably bankrupt themselves just to block it.
I actually don't recommend using WUBI. It depends on the state of the NTFS partition you install it on plus speedwise it will be a lot slower. If you ever get serious about using your Linux installation you will regret having installed it with WUBI.
In any case, I'm using Mac OS X 10.9 at the moment. Haven't upgraded to Yosemite yet. Considering windows releases, Windows 7 is currently the best in my opinion, but Windows 10 seems shaping up nicely. If there would be proper retina support in Linux distributions I would be using that on my Mac. I do miss the power of it.
Is bumping allowed? I hope bumping is allowed.
Arch Linux represent!
Arch Linux is best. By the way, I should update my system. Probably when Linux 4.0 will be up in the repos.
Better than windows exploder
Quote from: Strontium on April 24, 2015, 04:22:19 AM
Is bumping allowed? I hope bumping is allowed.
Arch Linux represent!
Yup, bumping is allowed in some case, for example relaunching a potentially good discussion :)
I use Windows 7 for my daily things. I might make the free update to Windows 10, but I am not entirely sure about that. Linux is still great and I have it installed on my Workstation and as a virtual machine on my Windows PC.
I will upgrade to windows 10 when it comes out but right now I still have windows 7
Quote from: Jim Bauwens on February 08, 2015, 05:18:39 PM
I actually don't recommend using WUBI. It depends on the state of the NTFS partition you install it on plus speedwise it will be a lot slower. If you ever get serious about using your Linux installation you will regret having installed it with WUBI.
In any case, I'm using Mac OS X 10.9 at the moment. Haven't upgraded to Yosemite yet. Considering windows releases, Windows 7 is currently the best in my opinion, but Windows 10 seems shaping up nicely. If there would be proper retina support in Linux distributions I would be using that on my Mac. I do miss the power of it.
Xorg has support for variable dpi. Have you looked into that ?
I have read in a magazine that linux supports high-dpi displays just fine.
Yeah the arch wiki also has a detailed page about it.
By the way we only talked about desktop operating systems, but there's also mobile. :P
Personally I think that android on "open" phones is the least crappy of all, as it lets you mess around quite a bit but it's still a huge mess under the hood. I'm not talking about sailfish, Firefox os or Ubuntu phone because they're not viable alternatives (not enough commercial interest in them and/or incompleteness make them inaccessible at the moment, worse than windows phone).
Quote from: alexgt on June 24, 2015, 12:07:34 AM
I will upgrade to windows 10 when it comes out but right now I still have windows 7
I am contemplating doing it too, but I'm not 100% sure yet. I'll have to make sure that what I have installed right now that I still use often will still run under WIndows 10. Also, keep in mind that Windows 10 removes some features, although you can still download them separately: http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-will-remove-some-features-and-apps-upgrading-windows-7-and-windows-81
So you only get it for one year!? :(
No. They give away upgrades to anyone running windows 7 or 8.1 during the first year of the life cycle of 10. It's not a time limited license.
Oh ok that is what I thought at first but I must have read it wrong :P
The only feature that I will miss is turning off automatic updates.
I'm upgrading from 8.1 pro so it's not a problem for me. A lot of people might complain about auto updates though. But I heard they were reworked so hopefully it's no longer the same nightmare as it has always been.
I hope that they fix it. I actually prefer Mac osx style notifications. It asks if you want to update today tomorrow or the next day iirc.
On Linux, you do updates manually. :D
Quote from: Streetwalrus on June 24, 2015, 08:52:01 PM
On Linux, you do updates manually. :D
UPDATE PARTY
dpkg systems: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
yum systems: yum update
dnf systems: dnf update
pacman systems: pacman -Syu
zypper systems: wtf opensuse I have no clue how to use you
prt-get (on CRUX) woops I forgot havent used CRUX in a while
You forgot Gentoo : I have a life, no time to compile it all. :P
Quote from: Streetwalrus on June 24, 2015, 04:59:40 PM
No. They give away upgrades to anyone running windows 7 or 8.1 during the first year of the life cycle of 10. It's not a time limited license.
In other words, we only have 1 year to decide (which is short considering it will take even longer before all softwares are ported to Windows 10)
Very few applications will need to be updated. Actually only old applications from the old xp era might break.
That's what they said during the previous OS releases about programs that ran on the previous OS. :P I'll believe it when I see it.
Ask the people who are already running the beta builds.
It's gonna take a while to find out if Starcraft: Brood War, Opera, Chrome, Firefox, Starcraft II, OpenRA, Unreal Tournament GOTY and 2004, Audacity, ePSXe 1.6 or 1.7 (1.8 is c), ZSNES, Filezilla, uTorrent, iTunes, Telegram Desktop, Avast and Photofiltre studios run on it. :P
Lolno, they all will as they're actively updated. OS updates don't break as much as you think they do. The only things I see that might not work (and it's not even confirmed that they won't) are SC1 and UT because they're the oldest.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 24, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
Quote from: alexgt on June 24, 2015, 12:07:34 AM
I will upgrade to windows 10 when it comes out but right now I still have windows 7
I am contemplating doing it too, but I'm not 100% sure yet. I'll have to make sure that what I have installed right now that I still use often will still run under WIndows 10. Also, keep in mind that Windows 10 removes some features, although you can still download them separately: http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-will-remove-some-features-and-apps-upgrading-windows-7-and-windows-81
There are iso's available of preview builds. You can download one and run it in a virtual machine to see if the programs you use still work in it. I have a preview build of it running on my laptop (as a dual boot alongside Ubuntu), and all programs I've used on it worked very well, even though they're not ported to Windows 10 yet. Even demanding software like games or Autodesk Inventor work without problems, though all programs I use are quite recent. I have no idea of how it handles older software.
One important thing I noticed about Windows 10 though is that it used the hard drive A LOT, especially when you haven't used it for a while. If you have an SSD, then this won't be a problem, but if you have a rather slow hard drive, then this can make the OS feel unresponsive at times. It has been slightly improved in the last few builds though, but if the OS you currently use already takes a while to fully start up, then you might want to think carefully about this.
Hmm I know my hard drive tends to be a bit on the slow side. I'll have to check if I can easily set up a SSD on this computer. But again, maybe I might be better off getting a new computer and wait .