Hey look another project that won't get done :P. As you might know MinePrime development is paused until I find a way to display the world quickly or the "bug"/ constraint that appeared in the new firmware update is fixed/ removed. Because I don't have a major project now besides JarvAxe 5.0 (which will be complete someday) I decided to make a cousin to JarvAxe 5.0 coined S.I.F.S. or Super Intelligent Friend System (possible changes to the name in the future). S.I.F.S. (pronounced Sifs) will be a Shell if I can run progs in a prog, a program editor, a AI chat box, a notes editor, and random stuff to change settings about the calc.
As of now I am still in the middle of testing the possibility of some of these features and no real code has been written so ideas are much appreciated :)
Thanks for the help and support :)
"Look Mom! I have friends now!" *Pulls out calculator* :trollface:
Anyway this could be really cool! :)
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on May 17, 2015, 09:01:48 AM
"Look Mom! I have friends now!" *Pulls out calculator* :trollface:
I have done that before with JarvAxe 5.0 :P
When I posted that it was 2:00 am so I haven't got anything done with it :(
I am curious about how far the capabilities of HP PPL could be pushed with this. Most programs demonstrating them are games but I would like to see how well an AI chat bot operates. Good luck and I hope your other projects won't die (including the contest entry) :P
This will be more of a shell then AI bot instead of JarvAxe 5.0, he is a AI bot then shell as an addon if I complete him.
Just finished Nagoji :) just need to hang on to it and not let my backup/calc die :P
Ounds cool!
[me] brags tofriends about his new freind that will be here soon.[/me]
A Super Intelligent Friend that will help you with math :P. I do intend to include an equation solver.
oh cool :). It's not that hard with things like rpn :)
Yeah I need to look into that since I don't know what it is about :P
There was an excellent piece of code i used to learn about it :) aybe you can find it... something with shunting yard and java :P
Yeah. I need ideas for the GUI lay out.
Maybe a DCSE type layout?
Do like the UI you wanted to make on JARVAXE, the smartphone like thingy with the menu on the right
Not really, I think I have it figured out :). there will be two columns of text. You will be able to scroll with the touch screen, being able to select notes editor, program editor, view the notes, and run program. Next I will make a column to choose which program/note to uses.
Oh cool :) i like that idea actually
As you go farther out from the middle the text will fade into the background color also :)
Sounds cool! I think the Prime is my next calc, unless there is a new really cool one.
Awesome! It is always good to have more people in the Prime community, it is really sparse here on CW :)
Actually if we only count people who program games for that calculator, then I think CW has the highest amount of them. :P But if we also include people who don't care about games, then HP Museum has by far the highest amount of Prime users (most of which prefer the HP 48g series) and Cemetech comes very far in second place.
As for the UI, what would be cool is if you managed to make it all using shapes, polygons and lines with gradients, so the user could customize the colors easier.
Yay for CW :w00t: :walrii:. Though i though the prime community was bigger...
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on May 20, 2015, 01:41:41 PM
Yay for CW :w00t: :walrii:. Though i though the prime community was bigger...
Anyone can program the prime with the free emulator it is just tons faster than the actual calc that is why I code on-calc.
For the program/notes editor S.I.F.S. will feature a QWERTY on-screen keyboard to simulate typing better :)
Still working on Apps :). S.I.F.S. will be an App because you can shut off your calc and turn it on and it won't exit the App, with this we can make it more shell like :)
I am working on the scrolling menus as of now, If anyone can make a 38x38 icon.png pic that would be amazing (I am quite horrible at pixel art :P)
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on May 20, 2015, 01:41:41 PM
Yay for CW :w00t: :walrii:. Though i though the prime community was bigger...
Well, TI dominates the school market so that's kinda inevitable and HP didn't release new calcs for years prior the Prime.
Quote from: alexgt on May 22, 2015, 02:32:45 AM
I am working on the scrolling menus as of now, If anyone can make a 38x38 icon.png pic that would be amazing (I am quite horrible at pixel art :P)
I would probably need to know how the S.I.F.S UI looks like before making an icon. The icon could be based off JarvAxe if there is a screenshot of the UI then scaled down after I added colors based on S.I.F.S UI I guess.
I am going for a dark blue theme but if you can't see it that well in the sun I might add background support :).
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on May 22, 2015, 02:42:30 AM
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on May 20, 2015, 01:41:41 PM
Yay for CW :w00t: :walrii:. Though i though the prime community was bigger...
Well, TI dominates the school market so that's kinda inevitable and HP didn't release new calcs for years prior the Prime.
At the start of the school year I was really starting to be an expert in Ti-Basic and everyone was like O.O. Now I have a touch screen calc and they are all like :crazy: [spoiler]WTF[/spoiler]
Maybe you could add an inverted mode? Since you can use multiple GROBs then you could have the icons and images separate then invert the GUI/text GROB, then paste the images on it afterward.
As for school friends, be careful to always keep your calc safe, though, so it won't get stolen or broken by accident. I mean if they see Minecraft, HP Prime Tunnel or some 3D program running on it then some people could go insane or something (unless TI-Nspire CX calcs are common there, but it's still better to be careful).
For the icon I guess I could just go with a miniature of a Windows explorer or command prompt window. I cannot promise anything, though.
I think it would be a good Idea to incorporate my avatar into a icon and put that on my App icons with something else signifying the prog.
NVM I have an Icon for S.I.F.S. (it is in my sig) :) thanks for the Ideas.
Also the theme will be black and green with pixelated text.
Ooooo nice icon!
Ooh nice. :D So it will be hacker-style :P
Thanks:). I am still planning the layout but that will be the base colors. I am using the z80 font with custom font support :) so that will be customization :).
Note: I won't be active tomorrow because of a large religious event but I will be typing away at code :P
Quote from: alexgt on May 24, 2015, 02:09:56 AM
I am using the z80 font with custom font support :)
Yeah I just received a cease and desist letter from TI as a result O.O
Just kidding, I like the custom font idea :D
I don't think TI owns the font :P
Can you own something monochrome of such low resolution? That would seem unfair because if you randomly generated the letter A at that low resolution you'd end up with TIs version because there are only like 16 possible As.
I doubt it, but TI is so stupid that I wouldn't be surprised if they tried suing people for using similar fonts in the past (eg Casio). They would be guaranteed to lose. There was an April Fools joke in 2010 that involved such scenario: http://www.omnimaga.org/news/ti-sends-dmca-takedown-notice-to-omnimaga-for-key-font-usage/
That April Fools prank was in response to the DMCA takedown notices sent about the public RSA keys in late 2009.
That said, I kinda prefer the NES style fonts to TI's, to be honest. :P
Got the fonts working :). there are two modes. DrawString(Str,Fsize,X,Y,G) and DrawStrDelay(Str,Fsize,X,Y,Delay,G). the latter one draws the string with specified delay between letters to make it look cooler :).
You should post a picture or screenshot of how they look like :)
I have the GUI up and I am working on the menus, i will be done with that soon. After I finish the menus I will post a screen shot. After that I will make the program editor and then I will release a download :).
Will the editor be able to load/save/edit HP PPL code?
Yup O.O!!! There is a var called "Programs" located at "Vars" -> "System" -> "Programs". This can make a new one, give you the names of all the programs in a list, store a program's source into a string, and store a string to the programs source code! you can also do this with notes to. There are also vars to get the date, time, and even set the auto off for the calc! The one thing that I don't know how to run the programs within the App/Program so there might be some struggle with getting the shell part working :(.
Hope this helped with any programs that this is useful for :)
Awesome! Will there be a screenshot in the future?
Quote from: alexgt on May 27, 2015, 11:33:47 PM
Yup O.O!!! There is a var called "Programs" located at "Vars" -> "System" -> "Programs". This can make a new one, give you the names of all the programs in a list, store a program's source into a string, and store a string to the programs source code! you can also do this with notes to. There are also vars to get the date, time, and even set the auto off for the calc! The one thing that I don't know how to run the programs within the App/Program so there might be some struggle with getting the shell part working :(.
Hope this helped with any programs that this is useful for :)
Wow, and to think in TI-BASIC we can't even come anywhere close to even editing one line of code inside a program. Heck, we can't even detect if a list exist O.O
That now makes me wonder if it would be cool if someone made a TI-83+ BASIC compiler for the HP Prime where the editor would work with tokens and perhaps even allow you to set the resolution or fonts to the ones used on the 83+. It would not support everything but it would at least support the most common basic I/O and CTRL commands.
Back on topic, I wish you good luck on running programs from the shell. Maybe you could make a new topic asking how to?
Wouldn't you get like copyright claims and such from TI though? <_<.
You know what we should do? Make a CodeWalrus language and port it to various devices/calculators. That'd be awesome
And very slow for the CSE. :( Maybe an easy language that compiles into an ASM program?
Yeah or something that compiles to a bytecode, and that can be compiled to asm.
Something along thoose lines :P
Anyways, alex, have you made any good progress?
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on May 28, 2015, 06:51:30 AM
That now makes me wonder if it would be cool if someone made a TI-83+ BASIC compiler for the HP Prime where the editor would work with tokens and perhaps even allow you to set the resolution or fonts to the ones used on the 83+. It would not support everything but it would at least support the most common basic I/O and CTRL commands.
Back on topic, I wish you good luck on running programs from the shell. Maybe you could make a new topic asking how to?
that would be awesome if we could make an emulator for Ti 84/83 O.O. I looked at the I/O and the Ctl sections and we could probably replicate them with subs, it would be nice if Lbl and Goto were a thing, mostly you would use subs but it is really convenient to have sometimes.
Thanks for the luck :). The way I think you might be able to do it is executing the code as if it was in your program... I can put the code in a string, it just feels so close to being able to do something with it <_<. A thing you can do is switch the view to the prog menu if you want to run one and have a hotkey to take you back to the GUI but that would interrupt the flow I think <_<. Also it wouldn't look as good as the GUI.
Quote from: Unicorn on May 28, 2015, 07:34:18 AM
Something along thoose lines :P
Anyways, alex, have you made any good progress?
Well I finished the GUI and I also am starting the scroll selector for the program editor :). I will post a screenie when I have the scroll menu complete and then a download (possibly with a rough version of the editor). I also plan to have syntax highlighting (possibly custom :)).
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on May 28, 2015, 07:23:47 AM
Wouldn't you get like copyright claims and such from TI though? <_<.
You know what we should do? Make a CodeWalrus language and port it to various devices/calculators. That'd be awesome
If CWList == {"walrii"} {
PrintWalrii(0,0); //Makes and actual command named this :P
}
Cool! I'm sure the screenshot ii look pretty cool! Syntax highlighting would also be helpful. If there was a kind of visual language added in that displayed different walriis in a command? *.*
This is indeed starting to become a very cool (and ambitious :P) project :D
^Thanks :P.
Well the shell will be a thing I figured out how to run a program with out entering "ProgramName(ARGS)" into the source O.O :).
1: Store Program var into a list
L1 := Programs;
2: The list will have all the programs that are in your program lib so you can read their names and do:
Str1 := Programs(L1(UserInput));
That to recover the source code.
3: You can also make a new program with this command and set it's source code:
Programs("RUN") := ""; //Sets program to empty string which deletes it
Programs("RUN") := Source; //makes RUN's source code the string Source
4: Detecting the thing to do this: ProgramName(ARGS) is different
We need to use INSTRING() command and tell it to look for "EXPORT"
Pos := INSTRING(UPPER(Programs(UserInput)),"EXPORT"); //Use UPPER() to make shure "EXPORT" is upper case if the coder was all fancy and did "Export" :P
//Now we have to find if they exported a var or a function
Pos := Pos + 7; //Skip the export word
For A From 1 to 20 do //20 is the max characters for a prog
If MID(Programs(UserInput),Pos+A,2) == "()" Then //If it is a function store it in a sting
ProgToRun := MID(Programs(UserInput),Pos,A);
End;
End;
5: Now we have the code that you can use to run the program we have to run it :)
Programs("RUN") := "EXPORT RUN()
BEGIN
" + ProgToRun + "
END;"
One more step :)
6: Now we run the program that we want to run O.O
RUN();
Hope this helped you :)
The font will only be hacker style for the ai bot :( right now it will be much easier to do the menus and everything with the built-in fonts because I can set their colors :)
Coming along well considering exam prep <_<
Question, is Program actually a built-in var or a custom one? I am curious since I am a bit confused at how your code above works. If it lets you run any .hpprgm file as you see fit then it's amazing. You should post a tutorial inside the HP help thread or a new topic.
It is a built in var I will post an extensive tutorial on HP Programming help :).
The way it works is it looks for the main EXPORTED function because there are usually only one (the start of the game ect.)
then it looks for the function name
EXPORT ProgTest_1()
ProgTest_1() is what I am looking for because you can run it in a program with ProgTest_1();
You can make new programs and change the code so next you make a new program (preferably a long random name so the name wont' be taken by another prog which would delete that one's code :()
Then you make the source
"EXPORT RunName() //or whatever you want to name it
BEGIN"
+ RunString + //the string that has ProgTest_1 or the program of choice
"END;" //ends the RunName() function
and then since the source to that program is what you just set it to all you need to do is run that program which is easy because you know the main EXPORT functions name: RunName();
after you run this program you can repeat the same steps with a different program ;)
Note this is for shells only really because in all other cases I can think of you would just use ProgTest_1(); and run it that way but SIFS has to detect, store, and execute code so this is a special case so you wouldn't use this in code on a regular basis.
UPDATE: (kind of :P)
- Got menus working (nice touch screen scrolling ;))
I have to do a bit to tell the shell sub what to run on the menu and spruce up and optimize the possible bugs in the shell and BAM! I will post the first download O.O
Thanks for all the help and support :)
UPDATE:
- Added menus
- Added Shell
Made SIFS as a whole :)
:w00t: First download :)
Awesome! :D
send screens, i don't have a prime :P
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on June 03, 2015, 08:41:22 PM
Awesome! :D
send screens, i don't have a prime :P
I am working on it right now :).
This will work on the emulator and connectivity kit (http://www.hp-prime.de/en/category/6-downloads) you will have to update both though (I think).
EDIT: goto the software section :)
Thank's for all the help and support :) ;)
Thanks for the tutorial alexgt. This will definitively be handy for those who don't like the HP Prime GUI as much and/or want to make a shell/replacement to launch programs.
And yeah the HP emulator is free of charge and doesn't require a serial key. The only downside is that games that lacks timers/delays will run too fast to be playable (eg NAGOJI)
EDIT: It looks like your app doesn't work. When I press Start, all I see is this:
(http://img.codewalr.us/sifs.png)
Also just like NAGOJI, the icon defaults to the Quadratic Explorer app.
Yeah you have to unzip the file and right click the app and press add icon and then use the icon image :(.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 03, 2015, 11:14:53 PM
Thanks for the tutorial alexgt. This will definitively be handy for those who don't like the HP Prime GUI as much and/or want to make a shell/replacement to launch programs.
And yeah the HP emulator is free of charge and doesn't require a serial key. The only downside is that games that lacks timers/delays will run too fast to be playable (eg NAGOJI)
EDIT: It looks like your app doesn't work. When I press Start, all I see is this:
(http://img.codewalr.us/sifs.png)
Also just like NAGOJI, the icon defaults to the Quadratic Explorer app.
The app has difficulty on the emulator, you have to (for the calc and emu):
1. put the zip file into the app lib
2. unzip the .zip file
3. go to SIFS and drop down the menu to Files and Vars
4. right click the Files tab and click add file
5. put all the .png images into it except the icon.png file (you can only add 1 file at a time so it will take a bit)
6. right click on the SIFS app itself and click add icon
7. use the icon.png file to make the icon
8. For SIFS a bug happens that you have to create a program exactly named "SIFS_PROG_RUN" and leave it.
9. now run the app and it will crach again but now go into the program editor and go into the app's program and press CHECK and it will display "no errors in program" if so next time you run the app it will be fine.
Sorry for the inconvenience but I don't know if it is a bug or if I am doing it wrong :-|... @timwessman !
Thanks for all the help and support I will try a few things but it is getting late :(
EDIT: WHY! no @ work :banghead:!!
EDIT 2!!!:I think I fixed it but it may be because I formatted it right on the emulator at first but I deleted the app entirely!!! What I did was put all the .png images besides the icon.png onto a folder named "Files" and it should work??? I have a download here, if this works I will post this in the HP Programming help thread ;)
...Plz work... >:D
THat seems like a crapload of work for the user IMHO. If HP decided to do it that way, then I don't know what to say, but to advise everyone against using apps until that is fixed. In fact, I would suggest that SIFS becomes an .hpprgm for now so that it's not too complicated to install for users.
And your new version doesn't work either. Still shows that graph thing in my screenshot. Also I went to edit the program code from the program menu and it says Syntax error at line 150.
Maybe
@timwessman knows what's up. I also made a topic at http://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-4068.html about it
Weeeeeeex! Downloading it tmorow, but is there any screenshots around? :P
Nope, because I never could manage to run any posted version D:
#pragma mode( separator(.,;) integer(h32) )
//Declare function
SIFS_PROG_RUN();
//Local vars
Local ProgNum; //Prog number to display/edit
....
<snip>
You'll want to put this at the top of your source file.
The pragma line is so that anyone who has different internationalization/integer settings won't have issues. It tells: , is the separator for arguments, . is the separator for mantissa, ; terminates your command statements.
The next part is why the program isn't running. There is a error when trying to compile because the compiler has no idea what SIFS_PROG_RUN() is since you are creating it on runtime (not sure why exactly, haven't looked at the code). Hence, you should declare it as a function earlier and it will run fine.
The reason the icon isn't showing is because it isn't being sent. I went through this process: Unzip to the content directory, drag the zip file to the calculator tree and it was all sent fine. I will investigate if coming directly from a zip is having an issue or something.
Yeah... Your update still does what DJ's screenshot shows.
Quote from: timwessman on June 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
#pragma mode( separator(.,;) integer(h32) )
//Declare function
SIFS_PROG_RUN();
//Local vars
Local ProgNum; //Prog number to display/edit
....
<snip>
You'll want to put this at the top of your source file.
The pragma line is so that anyone who has different internationalization/integer settings won't have issues. It tells: , is the separator for arguments, . is the separator for mantissa, ; terminates your command statements.
The next part is why the program isn't running. There is a error when trying to compile because the compiler has no idea what SIFS_PROG_RUN() is since you are creating it on runtime (not sure why exactly, haven't looked at the code). Hence, you should declare it as a function earlier and it will run fine.
The reason the icon isn't showing is because it isn't being sent. I went through this process: Unzip to the content directory, drag the zip file to the calculator tree and it was all sent fine. I will investigate if coming directly from a zip is having an issue or something.
Yup I just tried it and all you need to do is unzip the file and BAM it is all good :)
Also there is a updated download here becasue after I uploaded the last ones I realized they had MAJOR bugs that are fixed now :)
Thanks for all the help and support :)
Wait, so how do I install this version?
Unzip the fie and drag the file to the application directory this should make the app and if this icon (http://i.imgur.com/gXC7msa.png) on the app, if not you did it wrong or my tests were inconclusive :).
Hope this helps :)
Oh thanks, I'l do that!
Glad to see a fix :). You should update your contest entry with it too :)
EDIT: Nope it still doesn't work :(. I unzipped the files and dragged the folder in the app library. The icon now shows up, but the program still won't run :(
Quote from: timwessman on June 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
The next part is why the program isn't running. There is a error when trying to compile because the compiler has no idea what SIFS_PROG_RUN() is since you are creating it on runtime (not sure why exactly, haven't looked at the code). Hence, you should declare it as a function earlier and it will run fine.
Opps, I have to do that but of right now just make a new program with a name with these exact words "SIFS_PROG_RUN" and then execute SIFS (it will still not work) then go to the program menu and open the SIFS(APP) program editor at the top and click check. Now it should work ;)
I will post an update soon so you don't have to do that :)
And some screenshots are coming up also :)
Ah that might explain why it was still not working lol. I thought that the latest version fixed the issue. :P
Here is an updated download that should work :)
Also I am going to start with making the AI system because the program editor looks pretty daunting with all the MOUSE() commands I will have to use O.O
EDIT: I forgot to say this: press Symb to run the program. Also this will not work with programs that have EXPORT commands for vars but I know how to fix that and it will be patched :)
EDIT: Screen shot :)
(http://i.imgur.com/9gGWHpA.gif)
Looking Amazing! Suggestion: make the background color customizable, and maybe a custom picture for the background? I like the layout so far!
Ooh I like the look, so far! The only things, though, is that it seems that the icons area is quite large for the rest of the screen. Maybe it could be reduced in size (with the icons keeping their current size), so that to the right, you can display program descriptions (assuming that is possible to display code from programs in HP PPL, then if the code starts with comments, then it would show those as program description and credits, and if it's not the case, then it shows (no description).
I like the rolling menu by the way. You could add a title such as program library and up/down arrows, with instructions at the bottom. :)
Whoa, looks awesome :D Good job!
thanks everyone :)
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 06, 2015, 01:52:15 AM
Ooh I like the look, so far! The only things, though, is that it seems that the icons area is quite large for the rest of the screen. Maybe it could be reduced in size (with the icons keeping their current size), so that to the right, you can display program descriptions (assuming that is possible to display code from programs in HP PPL, then if the code starts with comments, then it would show those as program description and credits, and if it's not the case, then it shows (no description).
I like the rolling menu by the way. You could add a title such as program library and up/down arrows, with instructions at the bottom. :)
The reason that they are so far over is because I might support custom icons for programs. The description would be a good idea but maybe only display it when a button is pressed or something :). also on the right of the screen I will make a RUN, EDIT, and NEW, maybe more if I get any crazy ideas :P.
Thanks for the help and support - and I really do mean that :)
Also make a Walrii option that uses DJ's walrii catcher thing fo the prime. Make them fly around the shell!
Hmm... that would be cool to put in the AI system since I am starting that next :)
Yeah implement /walrii :P
I don't know if I can make the physics work for 20+ walriis so they might just display randomly on the screen :P
But DJ had it working... But I suppose you'd not be able to do /walrii and ask questions of the AI.
I don't think the prime does multithreading that good :P
Quote from: Unicorn on June 07, 2015, 06:40:15 PM
But DJ had it working... But I suppose you'd not be able to do /walrii and ask questions of the AI.
He just displayed them at random think :(
Quote from: Unicorn on June 07, 2015, 06:40:15 PM
But DJ had it working... But I suppose you'd not be able to do /walrii and ask questions of the AI.
It was also random in my case. I could probably have that many walruses bounced around the screen myself and not lose much speed, though, since it doesn't require much AI (it might probably even work with pxl-test and a second buffer)
By the way, you know the funny part about HP PPL? Basically, if KermMartian wanted to, he could port Doors CS 6.0 (or maybe even DCS 7.3 or DCSE 8.2 if programs ran in an HP PPL shell can use sub-routines from the shell) to the HP Prime and include most features including launching programs, folders, etc, without even needing a single line of ASM nor C.
Folders would be a nice S.I.F.S feature, by the way :)
Geeze, I underestimated HP Ppl O.O Now what to learn?Ruby or HP PPL?
Well it is always nice having another HP Prime developer :P. If you get a prime and carry it around with you (like me) you learn the language REALLY fast :)
Ruby is really weird i hear too. I'd go for HPPL
eh, ruby is making sense for now, so I'm gonna go with it. I hear the weird part is about the methods or somethig. You have to imagine they are real things or something. O.O
Really I haven't looked into it but that does sound weid O.O
Back on topic, I am going to start work on the AI system :)
When I do get the shell working I won't be 100% effective because if there are arguments in the EXPORT function like this:
EXPORT Test1(Var1,Var2,Var3)
BEGIN
//Code
END;
it will not see the closed parenthesis and pass it by :(
Great! Will it have a great sense of humor? Or will it be grumpy? Oh, you should make support for third party AI! When you are done of course
I am hoping to do what would be limited with JarvAXE 5.0 and that is to make it "learn" but I am stumped as to how :( As for the attitude he will be friendly :). Also Super Intelligent Friend System is the name of the whole app what should the name be for the AI system?
SIFS?
* Shrugs his shoulders.
Quote from: alexgt on June 10, 2015, 03:08:07 PM
I am hoping to do what would be limited with JarvAXE 5.0 and that is to make it "learn" but I am stumped as to how :( As for the attitude he will be friendly :). Also Super Intelligent Friend System is the name of the whole app what should the name be for the AI system?
Well, you COULD make a fully learning bot with neural nets, but they're quite complicated O.O
Maybe instead of making it self learning you could make it user taught. This would simplify the coding and it would still be a 'learning' ai.
You could like make a command tht its
/when I say staaap respond: sorry not sorry.
So when the user says staaap, the AI says sorry, not sorry.
Quote from: Unicorn on June 10, 2015, 10:06:02 PM
You could like make a command tht its
/when I say staaap respond: sorry not sorry.
So when the user says staaap, the AI says sorry, not sorry.
I plan to make custom commands but that could work :)
Quote from: CKH4 on June 10, 2015, 09:25:37 PM
Maybe instead of making it self learning you could make it user taught. This would simplify the coding and it would still be a 'learning' ai.
That would be like CleverBot (http://www.cleverbot.com), Clever learns from other people but there are thousands of people to learn from :-\
[spoiler=Clever bot screenshot](http://i.imgur.com/uIXM4nW.png)[/spoiler]
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on June 10, 2015, 09:22:18 PM
Quote from: alexgt on June 10, 2015, 03:08:07 PM
I am hoping to do what would be limited with JarvAXE 5.0 and that is to make it "learn" but I am stumped as to how :( As for the attitude he will be friendly :). Also Super Intelligent Friend System is the name of the whole app what should the name be for the AI system?
Well, you COULD make a fully learning bot with neural nets, but they're quite complicated O.O
I will look into them but they Sound complicated O.O
Alsot would probably take a while for the prime to make calculations with that :P since you would need quite a few nodes
Yeah, what I did with JarvAXE 5.0 was make a whole bunch of statements that could be used in sentences and construct a response that way. With that strategy you would need to make hundreds of possible phrases with ones overlapping and probably making a mess out of the response :(
Just noticed we joined at the same time Cumred :P
Thats probably cause we were already signed up and DJ approved in one go :P
Also: 2000th posts! ( i remembered this time :P)
I am getting very close to completing the shell! When I go to camp I will have a long road trip to program on so it should be bug free when I get back :)
EDIT:
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on June 11, 2015, 06:09:09 PM
Thats probably cause we were already signed up and DJ approved in one go :P
Also: 2000th posts! ( i remembered this time :P)
Awesome 2000 posts!
I looked and I registered 12 days before you but I only recently started posting :)
Also I was grounded when I registered :P
hmm, my parents never ground me... lucky i guess :P
Lucky dawg. I have no computer for 5 weeks of vacation, and having my calc is still up in the air O.o
Yeah i'll take my calc with me when im going on vacation :P
My parents rarely ground me but it is usually not for long and they never take my calc ;)
Oh, let the User name the AI! You could also ask for their name to personalize it more, if possible.
Quote from: Unicorn on June 13, 2015, 02:34:44 AM
Oh, let the User name the AI! You could also ask for their name to personalize it more, if possible.
That I a good idea O.O :)
The shell is now working for all programs that don't have argumaents inside the main function :)
Also here are two things that will be posible to do:
- Custom
program icons *.*
- And a picture gallery :) (you will have to put .SIFSPIC or something and drop the image into the AFiles :))
Sorry for any spelling errors (mobile has no spelling correct :P)
Also A download will not be availible until next week because I have no computer access :(
Awe... But anyways, pictures are awesome! And the icons, hmm. Also, this is in HPPPL?
Yep :), you would use the icons the same way by putting a .SIFSPROGPIC on the end or something but it is now coded yet :)
Quote from: alexgt on June 13, 2015, 08:22:26 PM
Quote from: Unicorn on June 13, 2015, 02:34:44 AM
Oh, let the User name the AI! You could also ask for their name to personalize it more, if possible.
That I a good idea O.O :)
The shell is now working for all programs that don't have argumaents inside the main function :)
Also here are two things that will be posible to do:
- Custom program icons *.*
- And a picture gallery :) (you will have to put .SIFSPIC or something and drop the image into the AFiles :))
Sorry for any spelling errors (mobile has no spelling correct :P)
Also A download will not be availible until next week because I have no computer access :(
I like the picture gallery idea actually. As for programs with arguments not working, is it because it's impossible in HP PPL to launch such program?
Can you edit it a program from withing a program...?
Programception O.O
Staaaap the ception.
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I am unsure if that's possible, but that's definitively something I wouldn't want to try, in case it messes the calculator up during compiling attempts.
So how will editing be implemented then? Somehow using the built in editor? Unless it doean't happen.
You may be able to use an OS call like on some ti programs. Not sure what hp prime has in terms of system stuff though.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on June 15, 2015, 05:25:57 AM
Quote from: alexgt on June 13, 2015, 08:22:26 PM
Quote from: Unicorn on June 13, 2015, 02:34:44 AM
Oh, let the User name the AI! You could also ask for their name to personalize it more, if possible.
That I a good idea O.O :)
The shell is now working for all programs that don't have argumaents inside the main function :)
Also here are two things that will be posible to do:
- Custom program icons *.*
- And a picture gallery :) (you will have to put .SIFSPIC or something and drop the image into the AFiles :))
Sorry for any spelling errors (mobile has no spelling correct :P)
Also A download will not be availible until next week because I have no computer access :(
I like the picture gallery idea actually. As for programs with arguments not working, is it because it's impossible in HP PPL to launch such program?
It is not impossible but it would take allot of extra work but it will be fully compatible eventually :)
Yay!
Also, WB
Welcome back, and check out the walrii fanart thread, there s something there about a page back.
Quote from: Unicorn on June 20, 2015, 11:21:06 PM
Welcome back, and check out the walrii fanart thread, there s something there about a page back.
Thanks, and lol :P
Right now I am looking in to neural nets (Cumred mentioned them) and this looks promising O.O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iakFfOmanJU
I saw them too, amazing work. I want to do something with Neural Nets too, some day
IN the secoond video Mari/o found a new glitch O.O
Nope, it looks like the Mustache stomp where with a good y_dv and some good positionning, Mario can kill an enemy with the second tile.
Quote from: Duke "Tape" Eiyeron on June 23, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Nope, it looks like the Mustache stomp where with a good y_dv and some good positionning, Mario can kill an enemy with the second tile.
You lost me :P
But it is cool that it found a glitch that it did not know of :)
Well essentially its just a program that randomly tries to press keys in some order, so given long enough it could probably break the game :P
Yeah, displaying random letters or words would't work for SIFS :P
Unless I trained him and then released him.....
Quote from: alexgt on June 23, 2015, 11:57:43 PM
Quote from: Duke "Tape" Eiyeron on June 23, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Nope, it looks like the Mustache stomp where with a good y_dv and some good positionning, Mario can kill an enemy with the second tile.
You lost me :P
But it is cool that it found a glitch that it did not know of :)
This : http://tasvideos.org/GameResources/NES/SuperMarioBros.html#StompingEnemiesFromBelowSmb1Smb2j (Also the whole page is awesome)
Yeah it does look like an inverted mustache stomp O.O
The strongest moustace in the universe :P
Introducing StachMan (my avatar) complete with a mustache stronger than Luigi and Mario's mustache combined *.*
I have looked into the neural nets more and it might just be possible O.O but before SIFS is released I will have to train him so he will have a chance in this torturous world :P
Also how does a onscreen keyboard sound for the program editor?
But you already have the calc's keyboard, right? Though if it was to add special chars or something it would be handy
I think the screen would be big enough for it and it would be QWERTY and touch screen so it would feel more natural, right?
You will still be able to type with the regular keyboard on the calc tho :)
Oh yeah, a QWERTY keyboard would be nice to have for display commands and storylines.
Also, will there be program descriptions? This might have been asked before but,oh well. :/
Quote from: Unicorn on June 26, 2015, 01:46:52 AM
Oh yeah, a QWERTY keyboard would be nice to have for display commands and storylines.
Also, will there be program descriptions? This might have been asked before but,oh well. :/
I think it was mentioned before but I forgot about it so thank you that is a good idea :) (you will just put a comment with two times signs after the divide signs and at the end put two times signs and two division signs like this):
//**Info about program**//
Quote from: alexgt on June 25, 2015, 04:58:28 PM
I think the screen would be big enough for it and it would be QWERTY and touch screen so it would feel more natural, right?
You will still be able to type with the regular keyboard on the calc tho :)
but would you not have to use like arrow keys to select keys? or does it support touch (i forgot)
It supports touch :) so you could type just like on your phone ;)
Oh cool. I think you should do it if the screen is big enough and typing with touch is confortable. Also if you decide to do it, consider adding it to your utils since it could be really handy for other people too
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on June 26, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
Oh cool. I think you should do it if the screen is big enough and typing with touch is confortable. Also if you decide to do it, consider adding it to your utils since it could be really handy for other people too
Good I dea :)
also I was playing around with it a month or so ago and it wouldn't be that hard to type.
And also I could have a mode on the key board that will allow you to have a list of commonly used commands.
Thats a cool idea too :) and maybe a setting to switch between on-screen keyboard and the actual hardware keyboard (or just a simple "hide" button)
Yup that would work but I think that I will have it so you can type on both without having to switch to anything (unless you would want to hide the keyboard :))
I plan to have a notifications tab so you can scroll from the top of the screen down and a notifications window will open where you can talk to the AI system or any number of things :)
Pretty nice idea! Now the hard part right? :P
Yeah, but I am working on MinePrime at the moment so I have to keep these in the back of my head until I start on this in a day or two :)
Since HP PPL most likely doesn't support multi-tasking, I assume that you mean notifications inside the program, not outside, right? What kind of notifications did you have in mind to add besides the AI bot and such stuff?
Maybe a popup that says: Your program is done cooking! :P
Notifications would probably be a calender and or an alarm right?
I don't see how an alarm would be possible with no sound. A calendar could be an interesting feature, though. Perhaps Alexgt could allow people to write down important events there and make them a fixed date, reccurrent or stuff like that, while keeping the data small.
I guess you could make the alarm change the screen around a ton. Then the calender could be a popup.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on July 07, 2015, 03:06:10 AM
Since HP PPL most likely doesn't support multi-tasking, I assume that you mean notifications inside the program, not outside, right? What kind of notifications did you have in mind to add besides the AI bot and such stuff?
I plan to have a button (probably Symb) that puts you into SIFS mode (you are right I cannot run code behind the scenes but I can look for button presses since it is and app, just like you can go into Plot view anywhere on the calc if the app allowa :))
The notifications would probably be a place to chat with the AI bot (that still needs a name) and launch the main SIFS app.
Quote from: Unicorn on July 07, 2015, 03:10:06 AM
Maybe a popup that says: Your program is done cooking! :P
Notifications would probably be a calender and or an alarm right?
There is already a calender on the calc (I cannot read from it tho because I think it will be added to in future updates) I made a gif showing it :)
(http://i.imgur.com/HZdFqKK.gif)
Quote from: Unicorn on July 07, 2015, 03:28:53 AM
I guess you could make the alarm change the screen around a ton. Then the calender could be a popup.
You would have to have the calc on tho and most people would use their phone over their calc for a calender :P
This looks super cool. Awesome job so far!
Oh so like something that allows a"I need to talk to you sifs" moment?
Quote from: chelsey-dagger on July 07, 2015, 07:55:05 PM
This looks super cool. Awesome job so far!
Thanks :)
Quote from: Unicorn on July 08, 2015, 02:02:49 AM
Oh so like something that allows a"I need to talk to you sifs" moment?
Yeah, or pretty much a shortcut to open SIFS :)
Nice idea.:) Now all we need is more screenies:P
Well right now it is an idea and I am working on MinePrime for the first 2.0 release so this project will resume in a few days :)
By the way, when you scroll through the programs list, it flickers. You should perhaps use a GROB then only refresh the screen once you have updated the program list. It would also help if you made the current selection more visible, such as with a FILLPOLY rectangle on it.
Does it flicker allot? I see it flickering for me but I hardly notice it when I am using it ???
Suggestion: Allow for different editors, for instance, a HP PPL one, and a TI BASIC one?
Would that work?
Quote from: alexgt on July 13, 2015, 12:33:27 AM
Does it flicker allot? I see it flickering for me but I hardly notice it when I am using it ???
Yeah I notice quite a bit on-calc. It's generally better to not update the LCD directly, but rather paste everything into a GROB then only paste that GROB on the screen once done. It's not that bad, though, but it would look more professional without the flickering.
Not really given that this is for HP prime only. It might be doable but not feasible.
Thought so, you would have to use the proccesor code to write that kind of thing, yeah?
If you are talking about making it be able to edit code like ti basic but not tokenize it. Also running the code would be possible but someone would need some really good os code skills.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on July 13, 2015, 03:27:34 AM
Quote from: alexgt on July 13, 2015, 12:33:27 AM
Does it flicker allot? I see it flickering for me but I hardly notice it when I am using it ???
Yeah I notice quite a bit on-calc. It's generally better to not update the LCD directly, but rather paste everything into a GROB then only paste that GROB on the screen once done. It's not that bad, though, but it would look more professional without the flickering.
Yeah I will do that at the time I was woried about the touch scrolling so I didn't focus on it looking 100% :P
Quote from: Unicorn on July 13, 2015, 03:26:30 AM
Suggestion: Allow for different editors, for instance, a HP PPL one, and a TI BASIC one?
Would that work?
I could make an editor but I would think that it would be useless since there are editors on the PC and a built in one on calc :-\
I thought you were going to be able to access the editor from inside SIFS? But that is an entirely different thing, isn't it.
Quote from: Unicorn on July 13, 2015, 02:56:53 PM
I thought you were going to be able to access the editor from inside SIFS? But that is an entirely different thing, isn't it.
No, I was talking about the basic editor you were talking about, I meant the editors on PC for basic and the editor on the 84+ that is built in :P
Quote from: CKH4 on July 13, 2015, 03:53:07 AM
If you are talking about making it be able to edit code like ti basic but not tokenize it. Also running the code would be possible but someone would need some really good os code skills.
Why would you need os code skills to write a editor/virtual machine? :P
But yeah this brings us back to: we need a programing language that supports as many calcs as possible.
To run ti basic programs on an HP prime.
speaking of languages, what happend to your language cumred?
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on July 13, 2015, 08:52:16 PM
Quote from: CKH4 on July 13, 2015, 03:53:07 AM
If you are talking about making it be able to edit code like ti basic but not tokenize it. Also running the code would be possible but someone would need some really good os code skills.
Why would you need os code skills to write a editor/virtual machine? :P
But yeah this brings us back to: we need a programing language that supports as many calcs as possible.
We could call it PolyScript poly meaning many (or many calcs) :)
And the interpreter, (editor) would be written in the machine code of the calc, unless it has a different fast language.
Would we want it interpreted or compiled? I think compiled, possible SIFS could compile for the Prime O.O
Well, the editor and compiler.
True, if I am going to have an HP PPL editor why not make a PolyScript one also :P
Quote from: alexgt on July 14, 2015, 02:24:11 PM
True, if I am going to have an HP PPL editor why not make a PolyScript one also :P
Yeah, but who's gonna make all the commands and such? Will we build on cumreds language of he allows it?
I have no experience with ASM/ calc hacking so I would just be doing the editor.
Yeah, and someone would have to write the compiler, in something fairly fast.
And the Prime needs to have people to develop exploits/hacks like Ndless but then HP would start locking down the Prime <_<
By the way, would it be possible to have SIFS open the program list by default (via options)? That would be handy when we run a game then exit.
Quote from: alexgt on July 14, 2015, 02:34:17 PM
And the Prime needs to have people to develop exploits/hacks like Ndless but then HP would start locking down the Prime <_<
It probably depends what kind of hack it is.
@Streetwalrus idea at first was to have a bootloader type hack. Instead of launching the OS, it would launch a custom menu where you could run the OS or any ASM/C game/program of your liking. However, if you exited the OS in exam mode, the hack would be made so that you cannot run anything else than the OS from the menu, and that, until you disabled exam mode from the OS itself, and the hack's license would prohibit anyone from releasing forks or updates that tampers directly with the exam mode. But the project was scrapped when Streetwalrus decided to not buy an HP Prime (since he would need one to develop such hack).
Also, since HP PPL is so powerful, many people see such ASM/C hack as useless for game programmers, since we can already do very good games using the built-in language.
I can make it open the Prog menu automatically :)
And yeah I am going to sell my broken calc o ebay for $1 and give street the URL so he can buy it, I will say it is broken and for parts so most people will be discouraged from buying it (which is mostly true)
A broken HP Prime? Or what? So street can work on that ASM hack?
Cool :)
No the LCD is cracked but you can still use it and see (part) of the screen :P
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 03:33:38 PM
No the LCD is cracked but you can still use it and see (part) of the screen :P
I want it... :P But, I probably would use it to make any hacks :P
I should actually talk to my teachers about getting some broken 83+'s to experiment on too.
Yeah the only use for it is to make hacks since half the screen is screwed up you can't play games on it :(
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 03:56:28 PM
Yeah the only use for it is to make hacks since half the screen is screwed up you can't play games on it :(
That would be the best use, for the community and for it. How did it break?
Mail man <_<
Really? he dropped it? Or was the mail system not gentle with it?
I don't know what happened but there is a dent in the side of the screen where it looked like it fell and got damaged :( but is all for the best if we can get some cool stuff from the unfortunate demise of a awesome calc :P
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
I don't know what happened but there is a dent in the side of the screen where it looked like it fell and got damaged :( but is all for the best if we can get some cool stuff from the unfortunate demise of a awesome calc :P
Indeed, and maybe a super calc if that doesn't work out :P
SUPER CALC!!!
(http://epicclipart.com/1024/clip-art-of-a-smiling-calculator-mascot-cartoon-character-dressed-as-a-super-hero-by-toons4biz-272.jpg)
Did you make that? O.O
No, google is your best friend :P
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:15:44 PM
No, google is your best friend :P
Darn. To bad there's a watermark :P
IKR that would be my desktop :P
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:18:57 PM
IKR that would be my desktop :P
lol, yeah. (
nerdsforever)
But, I could make my own it would just look like this:
(http://img14.deviantart.net/4842/i/2012/125/6/4/rainbow_scribbles_by_art_game_lover-d4yoe19.png)
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:22:16 PM
But, I could make my own it would just look like this:
(http://img14.deviantart.net/4842/i/2012/125/6/4/rainbow_scribbles_by_art_game_lover-d4yoe19.png)
Thats not bad, though it needs a pic of a unicorn in the middle :P
But it doesn't look like a calc xD
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:25:03 PM
But it doesn't look like a calc xD
How about a Unicorn Calc :P
I am horrible at pixel art, but we should get back on topic (all the posts are making us dilustional)
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:31:30 PM
I am horrible at pixel art, but we should get back on topic (all the posts are making us dilustional)
Yeah, you should include a pixel art editor for program icons in SIFS :D
That would be cool but I was thinking about having a comment at the first line that said //SIFSICONPRGM DIMGROB(G8,16,16,(IMAGE DATA));
Yeah, that, and then have the pixel editor make the image data and Insert that code into the Program!
There is already a PC thing that converts bitmaps into DIMGROB and ICON formats
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 05:04:10 PM
There is already a PC thing that converts bitmaps into DIMGROB and ICON formats
Yeah, but on calc... Like tifreak's DCSE icon maker for the CSE.
Well I could do that, I think but it isn't really practical :-\
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 06:31:23 PM
Well I could do that, I think but it isn't really practical :-\
Maybe some else could make it when SIFS is done. :)
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 03:33:38 PM
No the LCD is cracked but you can still use it and see (part) of the screen :P
If he decides to make HP PPL or C games he could just set the game so that it only displays in a corner of the screen, where the screen works. Otherwise, I think he planned to hook a different LCD to his calc if he ever buys yours. But IIRC he said he would buy it a few months ago so I don't know if he will ever do it :P
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 04:22:16 PM
But, I could make my own it would just look like this:
(http://img14.deviantart.net/4842/i/2012/125/6/4/rainbow_scribbles_by_art_game_lover-d4yoe19.png)
O.O
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on July 21, 2015, 06:04:56 AM
Quote from: alexgt on July 20, 2015, 03:33:38 PM
No the LCD is cracked but you can still use it and see (part) of the screen :P
If he decides to make HP PPL or C games he could just set the game so that it only displays in a corner of the screen, where the screen works. Otherwise, I think he planned to hook a different LCD to his calc if he ever buys yours. But IIRC he said he would buy it a few months ago so I don't know if he will ever do it :P
Well I'd buy it if street doesn't! ButI wouldn't use it to make any hacks ;/
I will have to convince my mom to make shiping available out of the US O.O that will be quite dificult <_<
I wonder if it's really that complicated to ship something outside USA? I know that Omni had issues with shipping prizes for the 2013 contest, but didn't it involve issues with shipping batteries? IIRC batteries had to be inside the device in order to be shipped, not outside, so the HP Prime would be fine, right?
Well the big services have it figured out, so it can't be thaaaaat hard.
I think it has to under like $25, or you need to pay like an additional $35 customs <_<
Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on July 30, 2015, 02:34:43 PM
I think it has to under like $25, or you need to pay like an additional $35 customs <_<
So like, the cost of the package has to be under 25? Or is it the cost to send the package has to be under 25? That shouldn't be tooo hard to do.....
i dunno, maybe that was on some site. It probably uses weight or package dimensions. Anyway you have to keep it under some standard else you need to pay a ridiculous amount of customs <_<
And its all on the parents... :P
I am sure Street and I will figure it out, I should start bugging my mom about is as summer is almost over <_<
Yeah, before anyone's busy. :P