[TI-84+CE] ICE Compiler

u/PT_ May 17, 2016, 04:42:05 PM

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on May 17, 2016, 04:19:27 PM
When do your finals end by the way?

Also I am unsure if I understand your post. Is that header thing so that people can compile ICE programs from any ASM program they want?

Next Monday, in 6 days. After that, I'm more than happy to continue this

Do you know what an API is? I made it such, that you can compile an ICE program within an ASM program, without starting ICE, selecting the program etc. The header is just displaying the logo and selecting the programs.

u/Dream of Omnimaga May 17, 2016, 04:49:02 PM

An API is some sort of software routine that lets someone use the software feature in their own, right? (like how we can embed Twitter posts in our own site via some code). Thanks for the clarification, though. I wasn't sure if that was the main purpose of the ICE API or not.

If an ICE program is smaller in source code form than it is in compiled form, then maybe this could be used to save space?

(eg a game made of multiple files where it only compiles the code it needs at the time, then deletes the compiled program once it's no longer needed before compiling another)

u/PT_ May 17, 2016, 05:28:52 PM

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on May 17, 2016, 04:49:02 PMIf an ICE program is smaller in source code form than it is in compiled form, then maybe this could be used to save space? (eg a game made of multiple files where it only compiles the code it needs at the time, then deletes the compiled program once it's no longer needed before compiling another)

You mean that it first compiles the first program, and if it reaches a subprogram, it first compile it and then run it? That sounds very complicated and hard, and 2) compiling takes (dependant of the size) at least some seconds, so I doubt whether the user will pause the game for a second or so, and then continue.
Remember, the CE has 154K of RAM, so I think that should be enough to compile-in-one.

u/Dream of Omnimaga May 17, 2016, 06:23:43 PM

The game would be a TI-Basic program that launches ASM programa that compile ICE ones to machine language only when needed, then run them. But it's hard to explain really.

u/SiphonicSugar May 17, 2016, 10:26:50 PM

WHOA THERE! This is the most amazing thing that I've seen in years besides Walrii!

Instead of thinking of games and stuff like that, I'm going to think about using this to make a whole new CE operating system! (Which I won't be able to run unless I by a CE

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u/PT_ May 18, 2016, 08:41:47 AM

Quote from: SiphonicSugar on May 17, 2016, 10:26:50 PM
WHOA THERE! This is the most amazing thing that I've seen in years besides Walrii!

Instead of thinking of games and stuff like that, I'm going to think about using this to make a whole new CE operating system! (Which I won't be able to run unless I by a CE )

Thanks!

But... an operating system is MUCH more as only one simple parser lol. And 2) ICE won't work for floating point numbers, and at least 60% of the normal BASIC programs...

u/Snektron May 18, 2016, 09:49:28 AM

You could always provide some basic functions like fmul(*x, *y, *result).
BTW, are you going to provide something similar to axioms?

u/PT_ May 18, 2016, 10:17:32 AM

Quote from: Cumred_Snektron on May 18, 2016, 09:49:28 AM
BTW, are you going to provide something similar to axioms?

I haven't thought about that, but that sounds like an incredible idea. Fantastic! Can you show me an example of how that works? What can an Axiom do and how would that look like?

u/Dream of Omnimaga May 18, 2016, 04:34:10 PM

Quote from: SiphonicSugar on May 17, 2016, 10:26:50 PM
WHOA THERE! This is the most amazing thing that I've seen in years besides Walrii!

Instead of thinking of games and stuff like that, I'm going to think about using this to make a whole new CE operating system! (Which I won't be able to run unless I by a CE )

To install a third-party 84+CE OS we need the private RSA key, right?

Also an OS is a lot of work so it's better if ICE remains in program or appvar format.

u/Lionel Debroux May 18, 2016, 08:42:48 PM

QuoteTo install a third-party 84+CE OS we need the private RSA key, right?

In theory, yes, we'd need that.

u/SiphonicSugar May 18, 2016, 09:21:10 PM

Quote from: PT_ on May 18, 2016, 08:41:47 AM
Quote from: SiphonicSugar on May 17, 2016, 10:26:50 PM
WHOA THERE! This is the most amazing thing that I've seen in years besides Walrii!

Instead of thinking of games and stuff like that, I'm going to think about using this to make a whole new CE operating system! (Which I won't be able to run unless I by a CE )
Thanks!

But... an operating system is MUCH more as only one simple parser lol. And 2) ICE won't work for floating point numbers, and at least 60% of the normal BASIC programs...

Well nothing is too much if you have the time...

u/Dream of Omnimaga May 19, 2016, 07:15:05 PM

But the problem @SiphonicSugar is that most students need access to the TI-OS. Having to get rid of TI-OS and the risks of user mistakes making it hard to get it back would be enough to deter people from using a third-party OS that can only do one thing. Unless ICE supported dual-booting, I don't think it should become an OS.

Plus making a TI-84+CE OS is currently impossible under currently publicly-available methods anyway.

Last Edit: May 19, 2016, 07:16:52 PM by DJ Omnimaga

u/SiphonicSugar May 20, 2016, 01:25:41 AM

Oh, I guess I should have clarified this earlier: I meant that you would use ICE to make the OS, not turn ICE into an OS. You would obviously have to add some boot features to it from a computer but for people who do not understand anything, they could make the OS in TI-Basic, then have someone else add finishing touches for like pointers or something... I don't know.

u/Dream of Omnimaga May 20, 2016, 03:41:11 AM

It probably depends what feature does the compiler supports. For example, good luck compiling an OS with Axe Parser

u/PT_ May 20, 2016, 05:34:35 AM

Well, making an OS is ICE is EXTREMELY hard but not impossible I would say. Just clarify the whole OS in a string *cough* and copy it to the existing OS

IF you wanna make an OS, I would recommend writing it directly in ASM, that is the best way I think. Of course, then you can use ICE to parse the input.