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Title: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 15, 2017, 11:42:11 PM
UPDATE: Codewalrus will remain open for the time being. The remaining staff will decide what happens to the site at a later date, depending of if people are interested in continuing posting on a site that will soon average at 50 posts a month.

However, see the last post in this thread. https://codewalr.us/index.php?topic=2152.msg58662#msg58662
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Yuki on July 16, 2017, 12:12:56 AM
tl;dr there's a lot of problems with SMF, we're completely tired of it, the only way to fix this is by moving away to another software like phpBB or to close it down and we want your opinion.

And no, it's not gonna be another social network, stop asking, we just like the notifications feature.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 16, 2017, 12:31:23 AM
Someone has suggested the addition of a 4th option: Statu Quo.

His request was declined, because this is what statu-quo have done to CodeWalrus in the last two years:

(https://codewalr.us/statsgraph.php)
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: xMarminq_ on July 16, 2017, 01:18:59 AM
Why though? We have a small and strong community, and I'm sad that the options have come to this.  :-\
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 16, 2017, 01:25:44 AM
Well... if you guys are willing to spend monthly money to keep a forum with 10 posts a month running (because that's what we will get in a few months) with often two or three weeks with no new posts, then that's your call I guess. I don't see the purpose, though.

From what I noticed, whenever I was inactive, nobody ever offered any help anywhere to be active while I am away, so I dunno how this would be any different now.

What do you propose?
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 16, 2017, 02:12:52 AM
Ok @c4ooo and @xMarminq_ and possibly a few others, you got what you wanted: a 4th option that doesn't involve major changes nor a shutdown:

"Site remains as-is but with 50 posts a month at best (estimate) and with zero money commitment from staff (free hosting from a different calc site most likely required)"

Basically if you really want to, the site will remain open, but we will no longer financially support it once its activity drops under Omnimaga level next Fall (which will happen, due to circumstances mentioned in the secret thread). So whoever votes #4 will have to help us find free hosting that supports WalrusIRC, offers 20 GB of disk space, 1 GB of RAM and isn't filled with ads.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: kotu on July 16, 2017, 02:30:10 AM
i'm ready to close my site down too
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: gameblabla on July 16, 2017, 05:29:26 AM
Man, that was so sudden.. and everything falls apart !
I noticed too that without @xlibman posting, activity would drop significantly.
And unfortunately not everyone posts as much as dj...

As much as i would like you to switch to something like phpBB or flarum,
it's probably going to be more realistic to merge with Ti-planet.
I mean, i'm not even sure you feel motivated to do option 1...
That being said, Omnimaga.org is even less active than codewalrus and it's still not shutdown. (but it's pretty much a ghost town)

Unfortunately, most people are busy sharing stupid videos of cats or talking about politics endlessly on facebook/twitter.
There is no real talk, it's just everyone sitting in their own corner.
Sadly, it's seems that the trolls have won.

I better save my stuff again but i want to say this : if it has to shutdown down, it will dearly miss me.
Simply put, there is nothing like it on the web. When i turn on my PC, the first website i go to is codewalr.us.
What you did and the community you have created (even tho not much of it is left) is amazing.
...
I don't know where i will go next, i don't like how cluttered ti-planet is and i feel like they're less tolerant of my pointless trolling...
But it's probably going to be the only realistic option, if ti-planet can survive of course.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Caleb Hansberry on July 16, 2017, 05:46:50 AM
I see that a lot of people are voting for a new site, but I voted for stay-as-is because I think it's more realistic. I don't perceive anyone having enough time to code a new site. For what it's worth, if you set up a patreon you could get a monthly subscription, that might help and I'd pay a few dollars - it'd help if a few people could pay a few dollars a month.

I agree that merging with Omnimaga is silly - they're propped up by an active admin, which is very important, but they are even less active than here, and certainly less free atmosphere, even though it'd be nice to have their members.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Yuki on July 16, 2017, 06:05:39 AM
Yeah, I don't want to see CW go either, but you guys gotta help :P

Omnimaga have the means to maintain a ghost town, last time I checked the admins throw a lot of money on the server (but there's Eeems' personal stuff in there too but still), here, unless we magically do $100 a month with the site we don't really the budget for that...

Patreon seems like a good idea. At first we wanted to go with whatever donation system the forum has (which works a bit like Patreon), but we might consider it. Anyway, there's mine in my signature if you want, part of the money raised there will go to Codewalrus anyway.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 16, 2017, 06:50:12 AM
Quote from: Caleb Hansberry on July 16, 2017, 05:46:50 AM
I see that a lot of people are voting for a new site, but I voted for stay-as-is because I think it's more realistic. I don't perceive anyone having enough time to code a new site. For what it's worth, if you set up a patreon you could get a monthly subscription, that might help and I'd pay a few dollars - it'd help if a few people could pay a few dollars a month.

I agree that merging with Omnimaga is silly - they're propped up by an active admin, which is very important, but they are even less active than here, and certainly less free atmosphere, even though it'd be nice to have their members.
If option 1 gets voted, it will take much longer to happen than option 2 and 3 for that very reason. But this is also why we are looking at a software that would implement most of what we need by default (Danbooru, Discourse, Flarum comes to mind, but we could just switch to PhpBB 3.2, which implements some of the important interactivity features we need). SMF 2.1 won't come out until 2023 or so, NodeBB is a resource hog, Invisionboard is insecure, VBulletin costs money like Invisionboard and those SMF forks don't seem to implement anything significant that would justify going for a fork with an uncertain future (since hobbyist projects tend to be stopped after just a few years)

And of course if that software has a script (even if not official) to convert the current data to their format then that's even better.

There still remains the fact this won't double our userbase overnight, though, and some of the older users might hate it, but again it's not like many people post that often on CW. I think one week we didn't even have a single user that made 10 posts. Maybe someone skilled enough could do a bridge for older members so that if they post on the SMF site it auto-posts via their account on the new site and vice-versa to please everyone but I doubt that would happen fast. If option 1 wins then I would rather have this done before school starts.
Quote from: gameblabla on July 16, 2017, 05:29:26 AM
I don't know where i will go next, i don't like how cluttered ti-planet is and i feel like they're less tolerant of my pointless trolling...
But it's probably going to be the only realistic option, if ti-planet can survive of course.
The IRC and Discord channels will remain open no matter what happens to the site.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Yuki on July 16, 2017, 07:04:31 AM
Quote from: xlibman on July 16, 2017, 06:50:12 AM
Danbooru
Isn't Danbooru for posting anime boobs?

yeah yeah sure we could definitely do that :P
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: utz on July 16, 2017, 02:52:59 PM
I voted for a merger with TI-Planet. Considering the circumstances, I believe it's the best option. TI-Planet is a great place, and if they consequently become more open to the English-speaking community, then all the better. United we stand! :D
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Turiq on July 16, 2017, 02:59:20 PM
Quote from: Juju on July 16, 2017, 07:04:31 AM
Quote from: xlibman on July 16, 2017, 06:50:12 AM
Danbooru
Isn't Danbooru for posting anime boobs?

yeah yeah sure we could definitely do that :P
Anime walrus boobs or riot! :^)
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: gameblabla on July 16, 2017, 05:10:42 PM
Quote from: utz on July 16, 2017, 02:52:59 PM
I voted for a merger with TI-Planet. Considering the circumstances, I believe it's the best option. TI-Planet is a great place, and if they consequently become more open to the English-speaking community, then all the better. United we stand! :D
(https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/6/6b/UnitedWeStand-OP02-EN-C-UE.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20160803094348)
My attack increases depending on the number of active users !!!
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus? (read post before voting)
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 16, 2017, 05:31:19 PM
UPDATE: Codewalrus will remain open for the time being. The remaining staff will decide what happens to the site at a later date, depending of if people are interested in continuing posting on a site that will soon average at 50 posts a month. With the stress yesterday there is simply no way a full site revamp can be attempted at the time, and it seems that there are people who are ok to support CW even if it drops to Omnimaga levels of activity, so we'll see in a few months (it looks like a software change is inevitable, though, given the bugs I've noticed lately).

However, thanks to certain community members I will not name, but the unnecessary stress they added or tried to add on top of the one caused by those life-related things (https://codewalr.us/index.php?topic=2030.0) are basically forcing me out of CodeWalrus now. I was forced to stop working in real life as a result of said stress and the reduction in drama over the last few months somehow allowed me to remain active and staff, but now I'm afraid this will no longer be the case, at least for the foreseeable future. I will try to continue saying doing the occasional forum post and say hi on WalrusIRC while my life settles itself (which will take months) but all of this will depend of if the environment around CodeWalrus gets too toxic for my tastes or not (basically, my activity on CodeWalrus will essentially be like it was on Cemetech from 2010 to 2016).

Because the site currently no longer has any active staff and due to the issues our current staff policies have caused in the last 2.5 years, we will now have to hire new ones and change the current staff policies (most likely reduce the minimum posting requirements to 2 on forums and 3 on IRC every month instead of 10 on the forums, while adding a veto power to the founding staff). Streetwalrus and aeTIos will not be allowed back in the team.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: DarkestEx on July 16, 2017, 06:04:46 PM
I'd volunteer to do some stuff work to keep CW alive if desired ;)

Also I will offer hosting on my server, if you can't keep paying the bills. Just the webspace, not the domain though.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: GalacticPirate on July 16, 2017, 06:17:13 PM
Also, sorry for having somewhat left CW for a few months/weeks. KI'll try too keep the posts number way above 50 posts tho :D
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: critor on July 16, 2017, 07:10:13 PM
Codewalrus is a great place, and I hope it can go on living by itself. :)

To help with the activity, I can take care of the news, like I do on TI-Planet and ticalc.org.
I'll just need the admins rules about the news if any, like on ticalc.org.

But should a 'merge' occur, we'll do our best to both make Codewalrus go on living, and respect its spirit and all members - so that they'll go on feeling at home. :)
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: _iPhoenix_ on July 16, 2017, 10:19:13 PM
These are the options that I would prefer:
-Merge with another forum, but preserve basically everything. I absolutely love :walrii:.
-Add more ads. I would definitely support this if it meant that CW could maintain itself a little more.
-Perhaps add some more perks to the CW supporter thingie so that it is more inticing for people to buy.

I also would not reject sending money via post to support CW anonymously.

We have a great community here.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: critor on July 16, 2017, 10:27:02 PM
When I say 'merge', it doesn't imply Codewalrus will be 'eaten' by another forum.
The domain may go on existing, with new admins and different people paying for it - that's all.

Nothing is decided / out of question / final.

It's just that this has been called a 'merge' in previous posts.

It's up to Codewalrus admins and members to tell what they'd like. :)
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: GalacticPirate on July 16, 2017, 10:43:21 PM
Anyways yeah, CW is a great place that has already helped me, and I will never let it down. Think about it, we are also playing the future of the calc community. If we don't keep thatg up, in 2019 the only active forum boards will be TI-Planet and Cemetech. We are curently at 15,000 posts each/year, with the three boards having a decrease ion activity on their forums.

TI-Planet can still rely on MviewerGX and the chat though. Cemetech has SourceCoder to drain traffic, but CW has nothing of that and we must do all we can to keep it alive!
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: DarkestEx on July 16, 2017, 10:59:53 PM
Again, I am offering you ad-free hosting for as long as you need and I can provide it.
Some minor things may change then (mostly legal things since we are moving the server location to Frankfurt, DE), but most would stay the same.
But again, it's an offer if everything fails ;)

I guess the only two things that would be affected is any type of file sharing and WalrusIRC may need to be turned into OmnomIRC.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Caleb Hansberry on July 17, 2017, 01:36:09 AM
I'm willing to be a moderator/admin, but I don't have any knowledge of how forum software or domains work, and I only have a few minutes free per day, though I hope that changes before too long (two jobs right now).

However, while I do think this is an excellent forum, and it's great for supporting certain kinds of people, I need to know why we lose so many admins - I'm not willing to take over the place of someone who was fired if, for example, Juju were causing the problem with the forum politics. Of course thats not the case, but I think it may need to be discussed, at least, it would if I were to take over.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: gameblabla on July 17, 2017, 02:27:54 AM
Quote from: Caleb Hansberry on July 17, 2017, 01:36:09 AM
However, while I do think this is an excellent forum, and it's great for supporting certain kinds of people, I need to know why we lose so many admins - I'm not willing to take over the place of someone who was fired if, for example, Juju were causing the problem with the forum politics. Of course thats not the case, but I think it may need to be discussed, at least, it would if I were to take over.
c4ooo told me to look at the logs, and now i know why all of this happened :
Spoiler
<l|> <Streetwalrus> if we change forum software it will be something simple and traditional
<l|> <Streetwalrus> fluxbb seems to be a good contender
<l|> <Streetwalrus> or roll our own
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I would like to, considering everything is php
<I|> <c4ooo> hmm with imgui i cant interact with my window background once the lib is initialized :V
<I|> <Juju> hi
<l|> <Streetwalrus> wut
<l|> <Streetwalrus> hi juju
<I|> <Juju> is hot outside
<I|> <Juju> there was another Voivod show this morning and I still feel sleepy lol
<I|> <xlibman> hi yeah i guessed it was them. Knockout said there was a show with people from jonquiere at 1 PM when I woke up at 12:50 PM
<I|> <xlibman> and i figured it must have been voivod lol
<I|> <xlibman> streetwalrus the issue with traditional is that nobody cares about traditional anymore. It really has to at least offer something modern even if optional
<I|> <xlibman> i kind of see it with people i met irl who happens to be nerds and stuff
<l|> <Streetwalrus> all of our members would disagree
<I|> <xlibman> yeah true
<I|> <xlibman> but we have to take in account new members too
<I|> <xlibman> unless you dont really care about new members
<I|> <xlibman> in any case the new system will not be fluxbb unless it offers Facebook features
<l|> <Streetwalrus> the format is part of our formula and why people like it here
<I|> <xlibman> i was thinking more PhpBB 3.1x, which does
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I don't want to turn cw into a small Facebook
<l|> <aeTIos> Facebook features?
<l|> <aeTIos> f*** no
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos 1) new posts page as the default page, 2) notifications in the navbar about new replies to your post (not being forced to check Gmail nor the topics)
<I|> <xlibman> 3) by default page i mean replacing the board index and making the board index secondary
<l|> <aeTIos> that sounds super awfup
<l|> <Streetwalrus> 1) sounds reasonable but we need to keep a balance
<I|> <xlibman> it's not. You guys just hate social medias
<l|> <Streetwalrus> 2) live notifications are fine in wirc
<l|> <aeTIos> Yeah because they end up being super crappy
<l|> <Streetwalrus> yes we do
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos we dont have to make cw crappy either
<I|> <xlibman> we just can't go the sears route
<l|> <aeTIos> People like our current layout
<I|> <xlibman> and anyone who forces me to keep CodeWalrus in Sears mode will be booted from the team
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I'm not opposed to modernizing
<l|> <Streetwalrus> but we'll have to carefully think things through to make it nice
<I|> <xlibman> Streetwalrus maybe you aren't opposed fully but it seems aeTIos is
<I|> <xlibman> and anyone opposed to modernizing the site shall not be in the team IMHO
<l|> <Streetwalrus> you will stop threatening us now or you will be the one booted out of staff
<l|> <aeTIos> lol this
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I'm sick of this s***
<l|> <Streetwalrus> bbl
<I|> <xlibman> Streetwalrus juju have my back
<I|> <xlibman> if you do anything he can reverse anything since he's the only one with access to the billing
<I|> <Juju> Guys, stop complaining and do something.
<I|> <c4ooo> if you  want facebook features then create a facebook CW page?
<I|> <Juju> as in
<I|> <xlibman> c4ooo if we die entirely that's the most likely scenario but given that wont happen until like 3-4 years i doubt it
<I|> <Juju> lay ddown what feeature we want exactly and whichones makes the most sense
<I|> <xlibman> by then, Facebook will delete all pages again then 3 years later revive the feature, just like they did in 2007-09
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I'm just tired of DJ's episodes and constant threats
<I|> <xlibman> Streetwalrus I stopped caring over 1.5 years ago
<l|> <Streetwalrus> if I have to deal with any more of it then I will leave myself
<l|> <Streetwalrus> that's all
<I|> <Juju> by Facebook features, we definitely don't want all of them, but somee inspired from it
<I|> <xlibman> i knew it would continue but in diminished frequency so i figured f*** it
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I don't want cw to go under but you are the primary source of trouble around here DJ, it's nothing personal, but it's the truth
<I|> <xlibman> streetwalrus i spent 3 years trying to explain how cw could be improved
<I|> <xlibman> well then fine if i am the main source of trouble
<l|> <Streetwalrus> if I can't do what I think is right then I'm done
<I|> <xlibman> then farewell guys
<l|> <Streetwalrus> that's all
<I|> <Juju> Guys pls
<I|> <xlibman> streetwlarus you just don't want to accept anyone else's opinion and wants to be the boss, just like Eeems
<I|> <Juju> I don't really have time to deal with this today
<I|> <c4ooo> if you want to suggest a feature then do so, and have people vote on it
<I|> <Juju> yup
<I|> * Juju pokes xlib on fabook--
<I|> <xlibman> i know I have troubles keeping up with changes myself eg notice how it has been ages since I last updated the site, but there's a fine line between not doing much and outright permanent statu quo
<l|> <aeTIos> xlibman tbh if it seems like anyone wants to be the boss and not accepting opinions its you rn
<I|> <xlibman> Again, I direct you to Sears
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos I spent 3 years explaining my view and why i think it would be better
<l|> <aeTIos> I express my opinion against a Facebook style layout and you just threaten me with a demotion
<I|> <Juju> misunderstandings, again
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos where were you in the last two years?
<I|> <xlibman> er
<l|> <aeTIos> And I don't know what sears is
<I|> <xlibman> late 2015-late 2016
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos if you ignored two years of posts and telegram messages of me explaining my point of view then that's not my problem
<I|> <Juju> sears is a failing shopping ceentree chain
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos Sears is a company that operates several hundreds of department stores in Canada
<I|> <xlibman> They refused to modernize for the last two decades
<l|> <aeTIos> I don't know them but that is not the point
<I|> <xlibman> Now they're about two months or so away from bankruptcy
<I|> <xlibman> because they refused to adapt to the changing mentalities and stuff
<I|> <xlibman> so everyone stopped going shoping there
<l|> <aeTIos> I think we are doing fine and I am open to ideas for new layouts but I dont want cw to turn into generic social media #23857
<I|> <xlibman> kinda like Myspace
<I|> <c4ooo> its a forum
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos then earlier when you replied it sounded like you were against 100% of ideas about modernizing
<I|> <p4nix> what is this about?
<I|> <c4ooo> a forum can have social media like features but its not a social media site
<I|> <xlibman> even adding notifications
<I|> <p4nix> Updating the theme or the core functionality?
<I|> <xlibman> c4ooo i don't want to turn cw into a full social media site
<I|> <c4ooo> notifications are good
<l|> <aeTIos> Well I think we are pretty modern as is
<I|> <xlibman> nah we aren't
<I|> <Juju> Yeah, we'll definitely change things, but if everyon agrs one eesomething
<I|> <Juju> if everyone agrees
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos let's face it. Aspergers have serious issues with changes. I do myself. But not everyone is asperger
<I|> <xlibman> and at one point we kinda have no choice but to accept some changes
<I|> <c4ooo> i say add notifications, but i dont like the idea of a "feed" where you see latest posts
<l|> <aeTIos> If there are good ideas I want to hear them but I dont think we need a spanking shiny responsive layout is integral to improving the site
<I|> <Juju> xlib but yeah, we ain't changing a thing if no one agrees on it
<I|> <xlibman> and just because half of our staff in the last three years had any form of autism doesn'T mean we should force our entire userbase to use something that has been outdated for 13 years
<I|> <xlibman> c4ooo i still think it should be a feature somewhere, with the ability to set it as default page (cookies, for example)
<l|> <aeTIos> what am I even arguing with
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos i think you arent even bothering reading what I say
critor has joined the channel
<I|> <xlibman> i just explained everything to no avail, I am right?
<I|> <xlibman> am I right*
<I|> <xlibman> well, see, I am done, then
<l|> <aeTIos> I am reading what you're saying
<I|> <xlibman> no
<l|> <aeTIos> Don't just assume that I don't
<I|> <Juju> let's open a thread about it
<I|> <Juju> again
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos and streetwalrus have fun restoring the latest backup now. You have done enough s*** to try to make me feel mad
<I|> <xlibman> juju DON'T DO ANYTHING
<I|> <xlibman> this time
<I|> <xlibman> f*** them
<I|> <c4ooo> lmfao
<I|> <Juju> ahhh dammit
<l|> <aeTIos> Alright enjoy deleting the db again
<l|> <aeTIos> (Sticker, 512x500) https://tg.codewalr.us/541175087705891597.webp
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos it's already done
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I'm done with cw
<l|> <aeTIos> cool
<l|> <Streetwalrus> f*** you DJ
<I|> <Juju> xlib don't do that
<I|> <xlibman> goodbye
<l|> <Streetwalrus> bye
<I|> <p4nix> bye Streetwalrus
<l|> <aeTIos> I'm not restoring it just to humour you
<l|> <aeTIos> so I guess this is the end of cw
<I|> <xlibman> doi as you wish. You and Streetwalrus were the boss here
<I|> <c4ooo> users dont agree with you?
<I|> <c4ooo> time to deleat db i guess
<I|> <xlibman> c4ooo agree or disagree, it doesn't matter
<I|> <xlibman> I could do NOTHING
<I|> <xlibman> anything I did on CW was met with reprimand
<I|> <xlibman> notice how I hardly did any update in the last year or soZ?
<I|> <xlibman> I stopped newsing about new calc games and programming anything over a year ago too
<I|> <xlibman> well this is not just because of my life changes
<I|> <xlibman> it's because I was not allowed to do anything as staff
<I|> <xlibman> and i was reluctant to do anything else because of fear of being reprimanded
<I|> <xlibman> and nobody cared about news anyway
<l|> <p4nix> well, actually you were able to delete the db so you could do something
<l|> <p4nix> technically
<I|> <xlibman> p4nix without being reprimanded, no
<l|> <aeTIos> I'm not reprimanding you
<I|> <xlibman> and to be honest i had the same problem in real life too
<l|> <aeTIos> I'm just resigning
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos I meant in the last three years
<l|> <aeTIos> I just asked juju to revoke my accesses
<I|> <xlibman> well the site is gone again so that wont happen until someone restores it but that's if it happens
<l|> <p4nix> I have nothing to do with your staff stuff, so I can't analyze the situation here
<I|> <xlibman> CW has been in stalemate for three years because of Streetwalrus/aeTIos and some of my stress and lack of actions are due to them
<I|> <Juju> I'm gonna rvoke everyone who want to
<l|> <p4nix> Anyway, deleting the db over some personal stuff doesn't seem like great problem solving... Especially since it affects users and this is a staff issue
<I|> <c4ooo> ^
<I|> <Juju> gonna be me and p2 for now on it seems
<l|> <aeTIos> juju see discord
<I|> <xlibman> i wante dto remain friends with street at the very least but over a year ago i finally realized it wouldn't work due to communication issues so we pretty much just became acquintances afterwards
<l|> <p4nix> But I won't judge you though
<I|> <xlibman> p4nix maybe not but they tried to make me delete the site. They know I would flip and blow up so now streetwalrus and aeTIos are using the Kerm tactic
<l|> <p4nix> xlibman I can't say anything about that
<I|> <xlibman> anyway, in case juju or whoever decides to restore the site again, aeTIos and streetwalrus are now on permanent /ignore along with kotu and alvajoy
<l|> <p4nix> R.I.P. Codewalrus I guess :E
<I|> <xlibman> well tbh
<I|> <xlibman> the last year plan was that if cw dropped under 1000 posts a month between september and june it would merge with another site and 600 for july or august. And my real life changes have pretty much made those numbers inevitable
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Basically, DJ was considering switching to another solution like phpBB 3.2, Flarum etc...
Streetwalrus & aeTIos refused to change the forum, because they did not want to become like facebook.
DJ felt that the changes were necessary and he got tired of SMF, he further accused them of slowing down cw.
Eventually, DJ felt necessary to delete the db again out of anger. x_x
Due to streetwalrus regular backups however, not much was lost. (if anything)
Anyway after this "event", Streetwalrus & aeTIos resigned .
And for this reason, juju removed all admin rights to dj.

All of this actually started with Alvajoy123 irritating xlibman with stupid questions/useless s***.
It's the reason why Streetwalrus & aeTIos won't be coming back ever again.

Anyway, what happened was very stupid.

Can't we just tell aeTIos & Streetwalrus to go back to the good old times and pretend nothing happened ?
....
D:
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Caleb Hansberry on July 17, 2017, 02:51:37 AM
Oh that's stupid.

I love and care about everyone, including DJ, from a personal standpoint he's a creative and caring person and from a practical standpoint he's the founder of two comparatively popular sites and is a pillar of the community. To have him not be a part of Codewalrus is a problem, because this is the most inclusive community in this part of the internet and he should have a place here no matter what.

But getting angry and not being able to walk the common ground and understand another person's opinion - it doesn't matter how popular an opinion it is, what matters is that someone honestly cared about it - that's a problem. It takes a strong constitution and character to be a leader, because you need to be able to properly deal with anything that happens or anything anyone says.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: GalacticPirate on July 17, 2017, 09:39:51 AM
Honestly, c Alvajoy. He should've been banned as soon as he threatened Mateo. Now because of a stupid 13-year old CW is in the cte. It's sad that Streetwalrus and aeTIos resign, but I agree with Juju and xlibman, really. Also, what did kotu do?
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: GalacticPirate on July 17, 2017, 09:42:51 AM
Also, double post: There is a forum that I know and that has social media-like features, while staying essentially a forum, with news and a blog. It's GBATemp, me and @Hayleia are on it. It's based on Xenforo, but the latter is unfortunately paid :/ Tho, I'd advise anyone in the staff to create an account there to see what it's like. It's mainly about hacking, on the Switch/3DS/Wii U and PS Vita.
https://gbatemp.net
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: tr1p1ea on July 17, 2017, 10:02:26 AM
What kind of financial commitment does this site have? Happy to help out where I can.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: ordelore on July 17, 2017, 01:45:19 PM
I know I'm a bit of a lurker, but I'd be willing to boost my activity and join the team of staff. I have over four years in the community, and I'm a kind and rational person.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: c4ooo on July 17, 2017, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: STV on July 17, 2017, 09:39:51 AM
Honestly, c Alvajoy. He should've been banned as soon as he threatened Mateo. Now because of a stupid 13-year old CW is in the cte. It's sad that Streetwalrus and aeTIos resign, but I agree with Juju and xlibman, really. Also, what did kotu do?
Kuto was makeing low quality posts like alvajoy but he is better now.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: _iPhoenix_ on July 17, 2017, 02:52:05 PM
I would like to say a few words on this subject:

more than just a few words
Even though Street and aeTIos are no longer part of the team, they are still valued members and I would love to still see them around.

xlibman, no matter how much autocorrect hates your username, is still an awesome person. I realize you are going through a lot of stress, so I think that your (possibly temporary) leave from the CW staff is the right decision for you.

People post less in the summer, because not many people are forced to be on their calculators, or have the same extreme boredom during math class. (or study hall, or where ever they get it done)
To keep post #'s up, perhaps we could re-institute the contests. I would gladly plan and help judge, and would participate in as many of them as I can. For prizes, we could do, say, a signed :walrii: poster (signed with username, not IRL name, for personal security. I could design one, if you guys want.) or something cheap, but it's still a prize.

Alvajoy123 should be banned permanently, if he already isn't. He was a complete jerk, and nothing he said should be taken to heart, no matter how true it seems. Every karma point that he gave out (positive or negative) should be removed. It tarnished the reputations of individuals who should not be attacked. I honestly do not care if I lose a positive karma point. I don't want a karma point that was given by someone like that.
The death threat he gave is absolutely immature and seriously bad. However, (although I have not read it) it is not a legal threat (in a US court of law, at least) because he has no means of carrying it out.

In a Canadian court of law, (I spent half an hour researching this) it may actually be illegal:
1) if the words conveyed a threat to death or bodily harm
2) if the words were meant to be taken seriously.

I suggest not legally going after him, he should probably take this as a learning experience, and he is still a juvenile. (I guess)

We are a community, and I hope we can choose to look forward on what is coming up... uhh let's not, and just be happy as a community.
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Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: gameblabla on July 17, 2017, 02:59:40 PM
I don't think xlibman or juju are in the mood to ban Alvajoy123 again. (Even though his recklessness indirectly led to this)
Anyways guys, if you could posts more or answer my posts, we can avert the disaster ! :D

EDIT : I did not want to make it look like Alvajoy made Streetwalrus & aeTIos run away.
Even though he has irritated xlibman so much it led to the database being deleted in July 7th,
he was not responsible for the ultimate demise of codewalrus.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 17, 2017, 06:27:35 PM
Quote from: gameblabla on July 17, 2017, 02:59:40 PM
I don't think xlibman or juju are in the mood to ban Alvajoy123 again. (Even though his recklessness indirectly led to this)
Anyways guys, if you could posts more or answer my posts, we can avert the disaster ! :D

EDIT : I did not want to make it look like Alvajoy made Streetwalrus & aeTIos run away.
Even though he has irritated xlibman so much it led to the database being deleted in July 7th,
he was not responsible for the ultimate demise of codewalrus.
Alvajoy did not trigger this particular incident. Sure, he did not help, because it was at the worst possible moment, but most issues were that I have anger management issues that got magnified by recent life events and technically I shouldnù,t have access to the  db. I do all sort of weird wtf c when I am down and mad at the same time, much like pimath, and i am really sorry for that
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: _iPhoenix_ on July 17, 2017, 07:07:22 PM
You know what, @xlibman, I understand.

I myself used to be like that to some extent, and I was really, really destructive.

I actually had to lock myself out of my room so I wouldn't destroy my possessions.
I got better, eventually, though.

I really do recommend getting something that is cheap, but still somewhat durable, that you can destroy when you are angry (it's very satisfying). It worked for me. I used balloons (uninflated) and would just tear them apart, trying to see how small I could get the pieces.
Stress balls work for when you cannot put attention into it, but I found it didn't work as well.

I also suggest getting a group of close IRL friends with somewhat similar interests that you can talk to, although this is much, much easier said than done (at least for me)

I also recommend getting a pet, mine pretty much saved my life. Long story short, I was going through a similar bout of depression, but I was feeling suicidal at the time (I felt like that a lot when I was younger, and I am still extremely depressed, but minus the suicidal thoughts). My friend noticed this and suggested I get a fish (I was somewhat low on money, and anything else was just flat out too expensive). Just having something to take care of, the thought that something tangible relied on me (although it died in a few days) brought me out of my bout of depression.

I hope this helps.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: GalacticPirate on July 17, 2017, 08:03:38 PM
I also feel like you @xlibman. Being overflowed by adrenaline, not being able to control what you do, and making almost non-fixable mistakes. I think @critor knows more than anyone about what I already did. Again, I agree with @_iPhoenix_ , find something cheap you can punch like hell, or even find a way to yell what you think, or anything. I'll definitely never let down someone who lives exactly what I lived some weeks ago.
Be strong, wlibman.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Caleb Hansberry on July 18, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
I been trying to outbid eeems ad, but don't have the cash to win, at least not in the US, it's rocketed up from 0.20$ a day to $3 a day :)

I also would like to know how much money you'd like to keep the server running well - we can possibly raise it together
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: CVSoft on July 18, 2017, 03:03:43 AM
I can volunteer to help out with things; my availability is bad during summers but I'm almost always around in IRC/discord.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Yuki on July 18, 2017, 03:20:35 AM
Don't worry, I think Eeems have a budget of $5 so at this rate that won't last long...

Anyway, you can always ask for our Paypal account (it's paypal @ this domain, not hard), there's some way to throw money monthly somewhere in your account settings or you can probably try the Patreon in my signature.

If you want to be admin, we probably could open applications, depends what the other staff thinks about it.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Legimet on July 18, 2017, 03:26:00 AM
I don't post here very often, but I really hope it stays. I think it'll work out in the end.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Lionel Debroux on July 18, 2017, 06:47:37 AM
Like many others, I hope CW stays :)
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Yuki on July 18, 2017, 07:13:39 AM
Quote from: _iPhoenix_ on July 17, 2017, 07:07:22 PM
I really do recommend getting something that is cheap, but still somewhat durable, that you can destroy when you are angry (it's very satisfying). It worked for me. I used balloons (uninflated) and would just tear them apart, trying to see how small I could get the pieces.
Stress balls work for when you cannot put attention into it, but I found it didn't work as well.
Punching bags. Heard it's nice.

Quote from: _iPhoenix_ on July 17, 2017, 07:07:22 PM
I also suggest getting a group of close IRL friends with somewhat similar interests that you can talk to, although this is much, much easier said than done (at least for me)
Definitely easier said than done, but somehow, we did it. Y'all know how I know @xlibman IRL, he also got along with one of my friends as well after, if I remember correctly, they both invited me at the same bar at the same time. It's how friendships are done :P Anyway, that's probably what saved @xlibman's life, this close group of IRL friends doing things together. :walrii: (https://codewalr.us/other/walriifanart/yukiwalrus.gif) (https://img.codewalr.us/ganjawalrii3.gif)

Quote from: Legimet on July 18, 2017, 03:26:00 AM
I don't post here very often, but I really hope it stays. I think it'll work out in the end.
Quote from: Lionel Debroux on July 18, 2017, 06:47:37 AM
Like many others, I hope CW stays :)
So do I. The site could stay online forever if I want, but the problem is how to keep the users active.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 18, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
@Juju yeah, unlike the 2009-11 life incidents and the 1-1.5+ years following those, this time I kinda managed to rebuild my social life outside of the Internet and it now actually includes people I can trust a lot or are open-minded. I was safe by the end of 2011 but your friendship and being able to see you in real life definitively helped me a lot going through the last three years or so.

@gameblabla to be honest, when it comes to Streetwalrus and aeTIos resignations from CW, the writing had been on the wall since the second SirCmpwn incident in November 2015. While they were good staff members and good friends while it lasted, my mistake when founding CW was to structure the staff policies before making 100% sure that the entire staff actually understood the site's mission was identical to what mission Omnimaga had back when I was admin there, rather than their own interpretation of it. The resulting disputes between Street/aeTIos and me made it inevitable that eventually, either them or myself would have to go, and based on staff decisions so far, I think if I had left this would have resulted into a third Cemetech clone (although with extra NSFW content and less influence from staff), and Omnimaga doing this was the very reason why CodeWalrus was created in the first place.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Unicorn on July 18, 2017, 11:24:47 PM
Seems we go though this once each year... I don't think we should shut down. I mean, if you guys don't have the means to support the site, then yes, I will support some sort of merger or something, but if it is something other than that, I believe we could all work it out and not let the crazy trolls get to our heads every time they come around. Granted, i've been gone a bit right now, but with DJ talkin about how no one stepped up, I know i did what i could when teh project award was announced ending (I could have kept that going) Currently, i really don't have the time to help manage a site (if that is what you guys need/needed) but i would have offered to do something, at least. I dunno, just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 18, 2017, 11:41:48 PM
Well, the trolls are more rare nowadays, but activity got much more rare as well and it's inflated by mine. I'll be mostly gone for 8 months unless I can afford a 3G plan then so it will most likely be even lower (even more than Omni)
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: kotu on July 23, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: c4ooo on July 17, 2017, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: STV on July 17, 2017, 09:39:51 AM
Honestly, f*** Alvajoy. He should've been banned as soon as he threatened Mateo. Now because of a stupid 13-year old CW is in the s***te. It's sad that Streetwalrus and aeTIos resign, but I agree with Juju and xlibman, really. Also, what did kotu do?
Kuto was makeing low quality posts like alvajoy but he is better now.

Yeah, on that, I think most people probably don't understand my sense of humour very well. I take the mick out of my friends a lot, basically, if I take the mick out of you or mock you, it's probably just because i like you. You would normally know if i actually am being spiteful or whatever - it's totally different. So my apologies for this.

There's really no need to have my pm's on ignore @xlibman , I only really use them to direct you to hardcore music lol

I really hope cw stays alive.

I would offer my services (not sure what I could help with really but I know PHP) but considering the controversy that has gone around me I probably would not be considered, lol. Oh well
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Caleb Hansberry on July 24, 2017, 04:45:26 AM
Thanks for that clarification kotu, it sounds really professional  :walrii:
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: kotu on July 24, 2017, 06:23:49 AM
uK sense of humour is the best man, what can I say
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on July 26, 2017, 06:52:03 AM
I think the issue @kotu is not really the sense of humor itself (except maybe some things in the past) but rather the high quantity of it (kinda like the pi vs tau stuff last year and Nikky way back in 2006-11) and posting while under the influence or not 100% in control of yourself.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: WholeWheatBagels on August 05, 2017, 05:34:19 AM
I really hope this doesn't die! You all are such a nice community compared to other places I'm active. I'm alive, just haven't been posting much. Not sure if I can contribute at all except offer support, but I'll do what I can!

Spoiler
on a (semi)related note, if anyone needs someone to talk to for whatever reason, people I know say I'm pretty good at that sort of thing.
I'd be happy to help anyone if they want.
i understand if you don't want to talk to someone you don't know very well, that's fine (i prob wouldn't either)
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Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on August 05, 2017, 05:37:48 AM
If people post project updates, giving feedback and encouragement definitively helps.

As for the site status, it seems that a software replacement is inevitable at this point. Whether the site remains open in long term or not is another story, though (it seems like TI-Planet is stable enough, though, if CodeWalrus ever has to become the English section of TI-Planet. I don't care if it has TI in its name because on CW we did not really attract much of a Casio and HP audience).
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on August 12, 2017, 02:19:23 PM
If things go well IRL for juju then work on the site upgrade will start near the end of the month.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: annoyingcalc on August 14, 2017, 12:07:00 AM
I'd be willing to chip in some money to keep it up.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on August 14, 2017, 01:51:15 PM
I think @PT_ is donating us $10000 worth of ad money with that Cemetech ad :P
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: PT_ on August 14, 2017, 09:31:56 PM
Uh what? I didn't put that Cemetech ad at CW :trollface:
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on August 14, 2017, 11:00:06 PM
Lolwho did then lol? Unless it's one of the people who left but $0.20 bid for so long means we got maybe more Cemetech/Skylites revenues in a month than we did with every other ad combined in half a year :P
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: PT_ on August 15, 2017, 06:32:23 PM
Well, not me, that is sure :trollface:
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Adriweb on August 16, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
By some random luck, I had glanced at IRC a few days ago when this was said:
Quote[2017-08-12 23:22:24] <KermPhD> Oh look, Cemetech ads are still on CodewWalrus.
[2017-08-12 23:22:28] <KermPhD> All from my original $5.
[2017-08-12 23:22:29] <KermPhD> <3
[2017-08-12 23:22:31] <geekboy> lol
[2017-08-12 23:22:34] <KermPhD> Money well spent.
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: kotu on August 16, 2017, 11:52:10 AM
Russian
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Yuki on August 16, 2017, 06:12:10 PM
Yeah, both Kerm and Eeems gave $5 to put their respective ads on. Eeems didn't last long with his $5 as his bids were astronomically high, but I'm kind of surprised Kerm did. At the same time, he didn't bid like crazy at anyone point in time.

On that, I'm glad the ads really works here and there's many people who bid on them ^_^

Now we need @Adriweb or @critor to put ads for TI-Planet on and the circle will be complete :P
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: _iPhoenix_ on August 16, 2017, 08:10:00 PM
Then, we need CW ads on CW!
Title: Re: The end of CodeWalrus?
Post by: Dream of Omnimaga on August 17, 2017, 04:24:07 PM
Quote from: Adriweb on August 16, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
By some random luck, I had glanced at IRC a few days ago when this was said:
Quote[2017-08-12 23:22:24] <KermPhD> Oh look, Cemetech ads are still on CodewWalrus.
[2017-08-12 23:22:28] <KermPhD> All from my original $5.
[2017-08-12 23:22:29] <KermPhD> <3
[2017-08-12 23:22:31] <geekboy> lol
[2017-08-12 23:22:34] <KermPhD> Money well spent.
Ah that clarify things.I thought it was PT because one of his messages a few weeks ago hinted that it was PT but he was most likely joking:P