I agree. Everything that has been said has already been said now anyway and it's up to each party to decide what they think about what happened or if they want to ignore it. The summary is that CodeWalrus is to Omnimaga what Mighty N° 9 is to Mega Man and that people needs to accept their co-habitation in the community. I would lock this thread, since it ran its course and the most important part is the 1st post and the questions+answers that occurred afterward, but only 1 side of the story, as well as neutral people, have expressed their opinion in it directly, and I'm not a big fan of silencing 1 side of the story. Since the other side have already expressed their view via different mediums (linked above), then perhaps I could lock the topic anyway, though (and unlock if there are enough requests). What do you think?

From watching both sides, this is what I see:

The Omnimaga side can't figure out what they're doing wrong and feel as though people from CW are coming out and causing trouble and blaming them.
The CW side can't figure out what they're doing wrong and feel as though people from Omnimaga are coming out and causing trouble and blaming them.

See the pattern? I suspect this is why this just keeps going in cycles and never ends.

You are free to help both parties figure out what they are doing wrong. This is why we have a suggestion sub-forum (or in this case, this topic I guess). There are things we can possibly even change or partially change if that's possible (unless it happened in the past, since we can't fix the past).

Quote from: Travis on October 14, 2015, 12:54:34 AM
From watching both sides, this is what I see:

The Omnimaga side can't figure out what they're doing wrong and feel as though people from CW are coming out and causing trouble and blaming them.
The CW side can't figure out what they're doing wrong and feel as though people from Omnimaga are coming out and causing trouble and blaming them.

See the pattern? I suspect this is why this just keeps going in cycles and never ends.

Any idea on how to break the circle? I'd very much like to get on better terms with the rest of our mother communities (cemetech included). I feel like we're seen as traitors, which I didn't wanna be. Is it wrong to make a place for yourself?
(Yes, I know that Omnimaga was sort of put into a coma with the leaving of ~10 pretty active members which I did not really see coming. Oh well)

Quote from: aeTIos on October 14, 2015, 05:36:38 AM

Quote from: Travis on October 14, 2015, 12:54:34 AM
From watching both sides, this is what I see:

The Omnimaga side can't figure out what they're doing wrong and feel as though people from CW are coming out and causing trouble and blaming them.
The CW side can't figure out what they're doing wrong and feel as though people from Omnimaga are coming out and causing trouble and blaming them.

See the pattern? I suspect this is why this just keeps going in cycles and never ends.

Any idea on how to break the circle? I'd very much like to get on better terms with the rest of our mother communities (cemetech included). I feel like we're seen as traitors, which I didn't wanna be. Is it wrong to make a place for yourself?
(Yes, I know that Omnimaga was sort of put into a coma with the leaving of ~10 pretty active members which I did not really see coming. Oh well)

Stop blaming each other and settle your differences?(It might be harder than it sounds-most likely)

Quote from: aeTIos on October 14, 2015, 05:36:38 AM

Quote from: Travis on October 14, 2015, 12:54:34 AM
From watching both sides, this is what I see:

The Omnimaga side can't figure out what they're doing wrong and feel as though people from CW are coming out and causing trouble and blaming them.
The CW side can't figure out what they're doing wrong and feel as though people from Omnimaga are coming out and causing trouble and blaming them.

See the pattern? I suspect this is why this just keeps going in cycles and never ends.

Any idea on how to break the circle? I'd very much like to get on better terms with the rest of our mother communities (cemetech included). I feel like we're seen as traitors, which I didn't wanna be. Is it wrong to make a place for yourself?
(Yes, I know that Omnimaga was sort of put into a coma with the leaving of ~10 pretty active members which I did not really see coming. Oh well)

No it's not wrong to make a place for ourselves, especially if we are different than the others. It's called diversity.

Regarding breaking the circle, it's impossible that every single user in the community gets along together, because they are too different. That's why there are multiple sites. I think that rather than our old "Fight fire with fire" approach (especially from me), we might need to take the following approach: If you don't like what someone says about CW on another IRC channel, then simply take a break from that person then pay an extra visit to CW users.

Quote from: aeTIos on October 14, 2015, 05:36:38 AM
Any idea on how to break the circle? I'd very much like to get on better terms with the rest of our mother communities (cemetech included). I feel like we're seen as traitors, which I didn't wanna be. Is it wrong to make a place for yourself?

My best guess right now is that it would probably be necessary for both sides to set aside their notions of which side is "right" or "wrong", try to figure out and understand the other side's point of view, and then work from there to figure out a solution. Which I know doesn't tend to be the easiest thing in the world to do when one is on one of those sides. That may also require mutual cooperation and motivation from both sides as well rather than just one.

I'd say the best solution for the time being is to simply ignore the rantings from the Ceme and Omni folks. It's not like that stuff has any major impact on CW, they're only hurting themselves. And other than that, the recent post numbers speak for themselves.

Quote from: utz on October 14, 2015, 10:23:33 AM
I'd say the best solution for the time being is to simply ignore the rantings from the Ceme and Omni folks. It's not like that stuff has any major impact on CW, they're only hurting themselves. And other than that, the recent post numbers speak for themselves.

...and we fall again in that vicious circle. Boycotting this people implicitly means treating all of them like some kind of evil, bad idiots, and losing our neutral point of view.  All of us have made errors and we should fix them. For example, when DJ O' quits Omni's admin team and then 'criticizes' them and creates a 'rival' website, it strangely reminds me Mic's attitude with TI-BANK. Of course, it's evident DJ O didn't do that for that purpose, but I think some 'Omni-side' people can have lived this situation like that. And that's all the problem : Humans never try to anticipate what could happen later, or at least to imagine what will the other think. I think it'd have been much wiser for DJ O' to keep at least his admin rights to keep control on the others' attitude as admins, instead of giving them total control and then accuse them of having initiated all this trouble.
@DJ O' : The main reason for which I'm a bit 'criticizing' or 'blaming' you is quite simple : Since I've discovered the community through TI-Planet, which is on the 'CW-side', I'm trying to be more neutral by imagine myself as someone on the 'Omni-side'...

Except you don't want to be on the Omnimaga side - I mean, you've seen the set of attacks from the Omnimaga+Cemetech side above

But normal people can appear as jerks when they defend a jerk, or become one when frequenting one...

@Travis I agree. That said, like I mentioned before, it seems like we will never change some people's opinions about each other site. The best step would be to at least do the first thing you said (use the mindset that neither side is right nor wrong) then ignore haters.

@StarTrek the problem is when I was Omni admin, I kept receiving non-stop complains about how we tried to keep the site free of hostility by banning troublemakers. Some people simply did not accept that a website other than theirs could have a different mentality. Back in 2010, though, I suffered from a big depression that almost led to the same incident as what happened to Tribal, then in 2011 I spent most of the year recovering from the depression. As site manager I simply collapsed under the pressure, then called it quit. I simply had no choice at the time, because my health was more important.

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on October 14, 2015, 01:10:12 PM
@Travis I agree. That said, like I mentioned before, it seems like we will never change some people's opinions about each other site. The best step would be to at least do the first thing you said (use the mindset that neither side is right nor wrong) then ignore haters.

Quote from: utz on October 14, 2015, 10:23:33 AM
I'd say the best solution for the time being is to simply ignore the rantings from the Ceme and Omni folks. It's not like that stuff has any major impact on CW, they're only hurting themselves. And other than that, the recent post numbers speak for themselves.

Yeah, I think that's the other thing. Criticism is going to be unavoidable, but if the site is successful anyway, it shouldn't be something to worry about. (Ever wish you had a dollar for every time someone ever criticized/accused Microsoft/TI/Google/etc. of something? and yet look how successful (not necessarily "good", just successful) they continue to be ) They just seem to ignore the criticism (sometimes irritatingly so, as we all know ) and just keep doing what they're doing unless it actually starts to cause them to lose money/market share.

Well, to be fair, I would like to get a dollar everytime somebody criticized CodeWalrus publicly or privately.

Ignoring people trying to mess with you is something my mom has always taught me. When they see you don't care, they give up because it's not fun.