<l|> <Streetwalrus> if we change forum software it will be something simple and traditional
<l|> <Streetwalrus> fluxbb seems to be a good contender
<l|> <Streetwalrus> or roll our own
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I would like to, considering everything is php
<I|> <c4ooo> hmm with imgui i cant interact with my window background once the lib is initialized :V
<I|> <Juju> hi
<l|> <Streetwalrus> wut
<l|> <Streetwalrus> hi juju
<I|> <Juju> is hot outside
<I|> <Juju> there was another Voivod show this morning and I still feel sleepy lol
<I|> <xlibman> hi yeah i guessed it was them. Knockout said there was a show with people from jonquiere at 1 PM when I woke up at 12:50 PM
<I|> <xlibman> and i figured it must have been voivod lol
<I|> <xlibman> streetwalrus the issue with traditional is that nobody cares about traditional anymore. It really has to at least offer something modern even if optional
<I|> <xlibman> i kind of see it with people i met irl who happens to be nerds and stuff
<l|> <Streetwalrus> all of our members would disagree
<I|> <xlibman> yeah true
<I|> <xlibman> but we have to take in account new members too
<I|> <xlibman> unless you dont really care about new members
<I|> <xlibman> in any case the new system will not be fluxbb unless it offers Facebook features
<l|> <Streetwalrus> the format is part of our formula and why people like it here
<I|> <xlibman> i was thinking more PhpBB 3.1x, which does
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I don't want to turn cw into a small Facebook
<l|> <aeTIos> Facebook features?
<l|> <aeTIos> f*** no
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos 1) new posts page as the default page, 2) notifications in the navbar about new replies to your post (not being forced to check Gmail nor the topics)
<I|> <xlibman> 3) by default page i mean replacing the board index and making the board index secondary
<l|> <aeTIos> that sounds super awfup
<l|> <Streetwalrus> 1) sounds reasonable but we need to keep a balance
<I|> <xlibman> it's not. You guys just hate social medias
<l|> <Streetwalrus> 2) live notifications are fine in wirc
<l|> <aeTIos> Yeah because they end up being super crappy
<l|> <Streetwalrus> yes we do
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos we dont have to make cw crappy either
<I|> <xlibman> we just can't go the sears route
<l|> <aeTIos> People like our current layout
<I|> <xlibman> and anyone who forces me to keep CodeWalrus in Sears mode will be booted from the team
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I'm not opposed to modernizing
<l|> <Streetwalrus> but we'll have to carefully think things through to make it nice
<I|> <xlibman> Streetwalrus maybe you aren't opposed fully but it seems aeTIos is
<I|> <xlibman> and anyone opposed to modernizing the site shall not be in the team IMHO
<l|> <Streetwalrus> you will stop threatening us now or you will be the one booted out of staff
<l|> <aeTIos> lol this
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I'm sick of this s***
<l|> <Streetwalrus> bbl
<I|> <xlibman> Streetwalrus juju have my back
<I|> <xlibman> if you do anything he can reverse anything since he's the only one with access to the billing
<I|> <Juju> Guys, stop complaining and do something.
<I|> <c4ooo> if you want facebook features then create a facebook CW page?
<I|> <Juju> as in
<I|> <xlibman> c4ooo if we die entirely that's the most likely scenario but given that wont happen until like 3-4 years i doubt it
<I|> <Juju> lay ddown what feeature we want exactly and whichones makes the most sense
<I|> <xlibman> by then, Facebook will delete all pages again then 3 years later revive the feature, just like they did in 2007-09
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I'm just tired of DJ's episodes and constant threats
<I|> <xlibman> Streetwalrus I stopped caring over 1.5 years ago
<l|> <Streetwalrus> if I have to deal with any more of it then I will leave myself
<l|> <Streetwalrus> that's all
<I|> <Juju> by Facebook features, we definitely don't want all of them, but somee inspired from it
<I|> <xlibman> i knew it would continue but in diminished frequency so i figured f*** it
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I don't want cw to go under but you are the primary source of trouble around here DJ, it's nothing personal, but it's the truth
<I|> <xlibman> streetwalrus i spent 3 years trying to explain how cw could be improved
<I|> <xlibman> well then fine if i am the main source of trouble
<l|> <Streetwalrus> if I can't do what I think is right then I'm done
<I|> <xlibman> then farewell guys
<l|> <Streetwalrus> that's all
<I|> <Juju> Guys pls
<I|> <xlibman> streetwlarus you just don't want to accept anyone else's opinion and wants to be the boss, just like Eeems
<I|> <Juju> I don't really have time to deal with this today
<I|> <c4ooo> if you want to suggest a feature then do so, and have people vote on it
<I|> <Juju> yup
<I|> * Juju pokes xlib on fabook--
<I|> <xlibman> i know I have troubles keeping up with changes myself eg notice how it has been ages since I last updated the site, but there's a fine line between not doing much and outright permanent statu quo
<l|> <aeTIos> xlibman tbh if it seems like anyone wants to be the boss and not accepting opinions its you rn
<I|> <xlibman> Again, I direct you to Sears
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos I spent 3 years explaining my view and why i think it would be better
<l|> <aeTIos> I express my opinion against a Facebook style layout and you just threaten me with a demotion
<I|> <Juju> misunderstandings, again
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos where were you in the last two years?
<I|> <xlibman> er
<l|> <aeTIos> And I don't know what sears is
<I|> <xlibman> late 2015-late 2016
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos if you ignored two years of posts and telegram messages of me explaining my point of view then that's not my problem
<I|> <Juju> sears is a failing shopping ceentree chain
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos Sears is a company that operates several hundreds of department stores in Canada
<I|> <xlibman> They refused to modernize for the last two decades
<l|> <aeTIos> I don't know them but that is not the point
<I|> <xlibman> Now they're about two months or so away from bankruptcy
<I|> <xlibman> because they refused to adapt to the changing mentalities and stuff
<I|> <xlibman> so everyone stopped going shoping there
<l|> <aeTIos> I think we are doing fine and I am open to ideas for new layouts but I dont want cw to turn into generic social media #23857
<I|> <xlibman> kinda like Myspace
<I|> <c4ooo> its a forum
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos then earlier when you replied it sounded like you were against 100% of ideas about modernizing
<I|> <p4nix> what is this about?
<I|> <c4ooo> a forum can have social media like features but its not a social media site
<I|> <xlibman> even adding notifications
<I|> <p4nix> Updating the theme or the core functionality?
<I|> <xlibman> c4ooo i don't want to turn cw into a full social media site
<I|> <c4ooo> notifications are good
<l|> <aeTIos> Well I think we are pretty modern as is
<I|> <xlibman> nah we aren't
<I|> <Juju> Yeah, we'll definitely change things, but if everyon agrs one eesomething
<I|> <Juju> if everyone agrees
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos let's face it. Aspergers have serious issues with changes. I do myself. But not everyone is asperger
<I|> <xlibman> and at one point we kinda have no choice but to accept some changes
<I|> <c4ooo> i say add notifications, but i dont like the idea of a "feed" where you see latest posts
<l|> <aeTIos> If there are good ideas I want to hear them but I dont think we need a spanking shiny responsive layout is integral to improving the site
<I|> <Juju> xlib but yeah, we ain't changing a thing if no one agrees on it
<I|> <xlibman> and just because half of our staff in the last three years had any form of autism doesn'T mean we should force our entire userbase to use something that has been outdated for 13 years
<I|> <xlibman> c4ooo i still think it should be a feature somewhere, with the ability to set it as default page (cookies, for example)
<l|> <aeTIos> what am I even arguing with
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos i think you arent even bothering reading what I say
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<I|> <xlibman> i just explained everything to no avail, I am right?
<I|> <xlibman> am I right*
<I|> <xlibman> well, see, I am done, then
<l|> <aeTIos> I am reading what you're saying
<I|> <xlibman> no
<l|> <aeTIos> Don't just assume that I don't
<I|> <Juju> let's open a thread about it
<I|> <Juju> again
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos and streetwalrus have fun restoring the latest backup now. You have done enough s*** to try to make me feel mad
<I|> <xlibman> juju DON'T DO ANYTHING
<I|> <xlibman> this time
<I|> <xlibman> f*** them
<I|> <c4ooo> lmfao
<I|> <Juju> ahhh dammit
<l|> <aeTIos> Alright enjoy deleting the db again
<l|> <aeTIos> (Sticker, 512x500)
https://tg.codewalr.us/541175087705891597.webp<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos it's already done
<l|> <Streetwalrus> I'm done with cw
<l|> <aeTIos> cool
<l|> <Streetwalrus> f*** you DJ
<I|> <Juju> xlib don't do that
<I|> <xlibman> goodbye
<l|> <Streetwalrus> bye
<I|> <p4nix> bye Streetwalrus
<l|> <aeTIos> I'm not restoring it just to humour you
<l|> <aeTIos> so I guess this is the end of cw
<I|> <xlibman> doi as you wish. You and Streetwalrus were the boss here
<I|> <c4ooo> users dont agree with you?
<I|> <c4ooo> time to deleat db i guess
<I|> <xlibman> c4ooo agree or disagree, it doesn't matter
<I|> <xlibman> I could do NOTHING
<I|> <xlibman> anything I did on CW was met with reprimand
<I|> <xlibman> notice how I hardly did any update in the last year or soZ?
<I|> <xlibman> I stopped newsing about new calc games and programming anything over a year ago too
<I|> <xlibman> well this is not just because of my life changes
<I|> <xlibman> it's because I was not allowed to do anything as staff
<I|> <xlibman> and i was reluctant to do anything else because of fear of being reprimanded
<I|> <xlibman> and nobody cared about news anyway
<l|> <p4nix> well, actually you were able to delete the db so you could do something
<l|> <p4nix> technically
<I|> <xlibman> p4nix without being reprimanded, no
<l|> <aeTIos> I'm not reprimanding you
<I|> <xlibman> and to be honest i had the same problem in real life too
<l|> <aeTIos> I'm just resigning
<I|> <xlibman> aeTIos I meant in the last three years
<l|> <aeTIos> I just asked juju to revoke my accesses
<I|> <xlibman> well the site is gone again so that wont happen until someone restores it but that's if it happens
<l|> <p4nix> I have nothing to do with your staff stuff, so I can't analyze the situation here
<I|> <xlibman> CW has been in stalemate for three years because of Streetwalrus/aeTIos and some of my stress and lack of actions are due to them
<I|> <Juju> I'm gonna rvoke everyone who want to
<l|> <p4nix> Anyway, deleting the db over some personal stuff doesn't seem like great problem solving... Especially since it affects users and this is a staff issue
<I|> <c4ooo> ^
<I|> <Juju> gonna be me and p2 for now on it seems
<l|> <aeTIos> juju see discord
<I|> <xlibman> i wante dto remain friends with street at the very least but over a year ago i finally realized it wouldn't work due to communication issues so we pretty much just became acquintances afterwards
<l|> <p4nix> But I won't judge you though
<I|> <xlibman> p4nix maybe not but they tried to make me delete the site. They know I would flip and blow up so now streetwalrus and aeTIos are using the Kerm tactic
<l|> <p4nix> xlibman I can't say anything about that
<I|> <xlibman> anyway, in case juju or whoever decides to restore the site again, aeTIos and streetwalrus are now on permanent /ignore along with kotu and alvajoy
<l|> <p4nix> R.I.P. Codewalrus I guess :E
<I|> <xlibman> well tbh
<I|> <xlibman> the last year plan was that if cw dropped under 1000 posts a month between september and june it would merge with another site and 600 for july or august. And my real life changes have pretty much made those numbers inevitable
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