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Title: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on November 21, 2014, 04:44:15 am
In order to provide an hostility-free forum where everyone feels welcome and encouraged to learn programming and share their art, there are some guidelines you must follow in order to keep a good forum atmosphere:

#1 - The rules or lack thereof apply to all forum users when they use CodeWalrus discussion mediums, regardless of user skills, member rank, religion, country, views and friendships with other TI community individuals. Playing the victim by yourself or on someone's behalf when reprimanded is also disallowed.

#2 - Being rude, intolerant, provocative, manipulating or trying to start drama are disallowed under any circumstances. There are other ways to express your opinion.

#3 - Discussing or sharing advice or files dedicated for cheating on tests and exams, as well as the sharing of malicious content, private information (including responding to private messages in public without the sender's permission),  illegal (ROMs, warez, etc) and adult material is strictly prohibited. Such content or links to it will be removed from your posts.

#4 - Flood, blatant advertising, spam and disruptive behavior are not allowed, same for abusive swearing, be it overused or directed at other users. Accounts created solely to advertise will be immediately deleted or see their privileges reduced.

#5 - Double-posting is heavily discouraged, unless it has been 24 hours or that it's a project update requiring an early topic bump. The "Modify" button exists for a reason.

#6 - Do not abuse the post rating system, such as by mass-downvoting a user for liking the color green. Also, ideally, upvoting should be for quality contributions and downvoting for rule-breaking content.

#7 - Trying to circumvent forum security (duplicate accounts, multi-voting, ban evasion, etc) will lead to the termination of your forum account.

#8 - There is a 24-hour clause on verbal warnings received via PMs. If you get reprimanded for breaking the rules via PM on IRC or the forums, then after 24 hours it is automatically assumed that you have read the message.

#9 - You can use English, French and Dutch on the forums, but if the topic is not in English then the language must be specified in the title.

#10 - If a forum member never breaks the rules, but it becomes clear that he constantly behaves at the very limit of bannability or that he is testing the rules non-stop (eg finding loopholes), then he can still be warned for it. Long hiatuses from the forum will not erase past warnings.


Extra advice for a good forum experience:

I - This forum welcomes users of any programming language or platform, as well as fans of any game, show or music genre, and it tries to promote creativity.

II - The forum software automatically limits signatures size, but even if it meets the restrictions, anything deemed too intrusive or flashy will be removed. Please keep your signature small.

III - Reprimanding an user for breaking the rules might be tolerated, but it's highly advised to use the post rating system and "Report to Moderator" options whenever possible, as it is the most effective.

IV - Searching before asking questions will make it easier for people to help you.

V - Moderator decisions are taken in group in a private sub-forum, unless an emergency forces a premature action. We will never delete a post (except illegal, private info and adult content, but not the entire post) unless requested by many people. If you need to contact the admins privately, PM them or use  a d m i n -AT- c o d e w a l r . u s   (-AT- being @) e-mail address.

XXXIV - If something exists, then there's a walrus of it.


IRC-specific rules:

#1 - No bots are allowed into the channels unless approved by the staff. In that case the bot will get voice in the channels it is allowed into and it will be exempted from flood protection. Make sure your bot implements its own mechanism to avoid attacks. #cw-spam is exempted from this rule

#2 - The spam channel is not a flood channel. Flood protection will remain enabled in there. Its main reason to exist is for testing and playing with bots.

#3 - Please be nice and avoid spoilers in the anime channel, if you want to post spoilers, use IRC colors to give both the text and background the same color. People who want to read it can highlight the text with the mouse.


Enjoy your stay!


More useful information

Transparency, banning and warning policies (http://codewalr.us/index.php?topic=36.msg2244#msg2244)
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on December 29, 2014, 08:24:53 am
For the sake of transparency, here is how banning is currently setup on the forums:

-There is now a new forum user group called "Restricted". If, after warnings, an user continues to break the rules, then he will be put in that group instead of regular members. Restricted will not restrict him from posting, but any forum post he makes will have to be manually approved by a moderator (meaning that forum users will not see what he posts until it has been screened by the staff first). In addition, that user will not be able to send PMs, add/edit/delete polls nor edit his profile (except account settings). Of course, if it's clear that the user only uses the website to cause trouble, then he will be banned outright (IP, account, e-mail, etc). This group is to make it so that offenders can still have a chance to contribute constructive content to the forums.

-Since it's impossible to setup IRC to have posts manually approved by a moderator, then we will skip straight to IRC temporary bans if warnings do not work.

-For some offenses, it can be hard to get an official warning (for example, double-posting will just lead to staff asking you not to do it, while site hacking will get you permbanned outright), but official warnings go as follows:
  1st offense: Warning. Depending of the offense, this warning can expire after several months, but it cannot expire more than once.
  2nd offense: Warning
  3rd offense: 1 week ban. A probation period of 1 month follows afterwards.
  4th offense: Permanent ban if probation period is still active and warning if it's not.
  5th offense or site vandalism: Permanent ban

-In case of emergencies where a situation would get out of control and requires banning before the situation can be brought up to other admins, the ban will not be made official and will be removed immediately if the other admins are against it.


Other info:

-Warnings may be given publicly or via PM. We ask users to report objectionable content to make our job easier.

-This topic is open for discussions in case you have questions, concerns (other than drama starting) and suggestions. If anything isn't clear, then feel free to ask below.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: Keoni29 on December 29, 2014, 11:20:57 am
Sounds like a good idea. I have not seen a restricted category like this on different forums before though.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on December 29, 2014, 02:26:25 pm
I think Omni had one but it was only used once. Maybe it was even just set on a single member. Invisionfree also had it. Typically people just ban if they have to restrict members. The current setup is more as a compromise to the fact the current board rules might restrict people's free speech (although technically they can still post what they want, it's just that there can be consequences for some stuff). Some users might just be unable to do much effort to restrain themselves from being rude , for example, but might still be willing to continue posting positive contributions, so that's where that feature comes into play.

In general, CodeWalrus is stricter toward provocative remarks and the bar at which something is considered intolerance is lower. For example, if an user over here tried to restrict somebody from talking about moe girls in particular or bash him for doing so or restrict reddit screenshots posting that are SFW it would be considered intolerance (as in closed-mindedness towards specific hobbies) under our policies and be a bannable offense if done repeatedly. Of course it depends if people are flooding/spamming, though (for example if someone posts image macro or Youtube links every 10 second for long periods of time). The 1st site rule about rules/lack thereof applying to everyone is to prevent, for example,   some religious extremist from whining about someone using the word Christmas or people from thinking that just because someone is a long-time and expert community figure then he is entitled to break the rules as he sees fit without consequences.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on January 26, 2015, 05:59:20 pm
UPDATE: Forum rule #9 added to reflect the changes (language-related) in the off-topic section.

If somebody could translate the rules in Dutch it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: aeTIos on January 27, 2015, 10:57:00 am
I'll try to find some time to translate it but I also have stuff to do for school, so I can't guarantee it :P
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: Snektron on January 27, 2015, 02:19:46 pm
I'll give it a go

Edit:

#1 - De regels (of het ontbreken daarvan) zijn van toepassing op alle forumgebruikers wanneer zij gebruik maken van het CodeWalrus-forum of de aan het forum verwante discussiemedia. Er wordt bij het toepassen van de regels geen rekening gehouden met de geloofsovertuiging, nationaliteit, forumrang, vaardigheden of de visie van de forumgebruiker.

#2 - Onbeleefd, intolerant, provocerend, manipulerend gedrag of het (proberen te) starten van conflicten tussen gebruikers of groepen van gebruikers wordt niet getolereerd. Mocht je het ergens niet mee eens zijn dan zijn er andere manieren om je mening te uiten.

#3 - Het is niet toegestaan om programma's of bestanden die bedoeld zijn om op toetsen of tentamens te spieken, uit te wisselen of te bespreken. Ook het verspreiden van andermans persoonlijke gegevens (denk aan adres, telefoonnummer, de naam van zijn moeder), het delen van illegaal materiaal (muziek, warez (https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez), enz) of het posten van pr0no of anderszins erotisch materiaal is ten strengste verboden. Bij overtreding zal de betreffende inhoud zonder overleg uit het bericht worden verwijderd.

#4 - Flooden en spam zijn niet toegestaan. Hetzelfde geldt ook voor overmatig of op andere gebruikers gericht gevloek. Accounts die speciaal worden aangemaakt om te adverteren zullen onmiddellijk worden verwijderd of zullen minder rechten krijgen.

#5 - Dubbel posten wordt ten zeerste afgeraden binnen een periode van 24 uur. Een uitzondering op deze regel betreft het posten van projectupdates. De knop "Bewerken" is er niet voor niets: gebruik hem!

#6 - Maak geen misbruik van het post-vote systeem, bijvoorbeeld door het massaal downvoten van de posts van een bepaalde gebruiker omdat hij groen een mooie kleur vindt. Idealiter wordt upvoten gebruikt voor kwaliteitsbijdragen en downvoten voor posts die in strijd zijn met deze regels.

#7 -  Het is niet toegestaan om de beveiliging van het forum te omzeilen,  onder meer door het aanmaken van meerdere accounts, multi-voting, het ontduiken van bans, enzovoort. Mocht dit toch gebeuren dan wordt de betreffende account verwijderd.

#8 - Met betrekking tot waarschuwingen via PM wordt de 24-uursregel gehanteerd. Dit houdt in dat mocht je via PM een waarschuwing ontvangen omdat je op IRC of op het forum de regels overtreedt, er na 24 uur automatisch van wordt uitgegaan dat je deze waarschuwing hebt gelezen.
#9 - Discussies in het Frans worden beperkt tot off-topic en de titel moet worden voorafgegaan door [FR]. not sure if this is needed in the dutch section of the rules. we might add a line like this when we start allowing dutch discussion.

Tenslotte nog een paar aanbevelingen:

I - De gebruikers van elke programmeertaal en elk platform, evenals de fans van elk spel, elke serie of muziekgenre zijn welkom op CodeWalrus, en worden aangemoedigd om creatief bezig te gaan met hun interesse.

II - In de forumsoftware zitten regels voor de grootte van je signature. Zorg zelf er ook voor dat je signature niet te opvallend of afleidend is; graag geen schreeuwerige of flitsende plaatjes. Mocht dit toch het geval zijn dan kan dit uit je signature verwijderd worden. 

III - Mocht een gebruiker de regels overtreden dan kun je hem natuurlijk daarop wijzen, maar meestal werkt het beter om het post-vote systeem en de "Report to Moderator" opties te gebruiken.

IV - Kijk, voordat je een vraag stelt, eerst even zelf rond of je misschien het antwoord ergens kan vinden. Dit maakt het voor andere mensen ook makkelijker om je vervolgens te helpen.

V - Moderatorbeslissingen worden genomen in een groep in een apart sub-forum, tenzij een noodsituatie een snelle reactie nodig heeft. We verwijderen geen posts, hooguit verwijderen we de hierboven verboden inhoud. Mocht het geval zijn dat veel mensen vragen om de verwijdering van een post, dan kan hier een uitzondering op gemaakt worden.
Mocht je privé contact willen hebben met de admins, PM hen dan of stuur een mailtje naar  a d m i n -AT- c o d e w a l r . u s (vervang -AT- door @ en verwijder de spaties).

@aeTIos @brentmaas @Thecoder1998 @ more dutch people
pls remove the worst spelling mistakes >.>
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: aeTIos on January 27, 2015, 03:36:23 pm
I'll edit the above post with my corrections in red. If any other dutch guys have suggestions, post below and add a mention to my name so I can add them.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on January 27, 2015, 04:57:41 pm
Ok thanks. :D Once you guys have an official set of rules, could you make a new post with them? I'll probably link to the post instead of a new topic to avoid cluttering the board.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: Juju on January 27, 2015, 06:59:38 pm
Do we have the rules in French?
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: aeTIos on January 27, 2015, 07:04:36 pm
I'm done editing, changed about the whole post. I'll try to translate the section on banning this weekend.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on February 04, 2015, 10:29:59 pm
Bump, that reminds me I still need to update the first post of this topic with the dutch rules and eventually write French ones.

Also, to clarify on rule #4 about advertising, I would like to make it clear that while blatant advertising is not allowed (eg posting only to lure people into buying products or signing up to another service or website), other websites might have plenty of useful downloads and help of any sort for our visitors and members, and there are members who will prefer one site to another. In no way shall CodeWalrus staff or its members use personal bias to silence or discourage other users from mentionning one or more site names or links in particular. The only exception is if the said site hosts illegal content such as copyrighted MP3s and paid softwares offered for free, but even then, if the website is programming enthusiasts community or archives we will try to only censor direct links to the offending content and links to directories containing such content.

Also, regarding rule #1 and 2, I want to remind every visitor and user that what is being posted on CodeWalrus by our members and staff does not necessarily represent CodeWalrus nor its administration as a whole. If anyone has a problem with something said by one or more website members on the forums or IRC, then we heavily encourage you to stick around anyway and see if reporting the issue to a website staff (those in green-colored nicknames) might address the problem. And most importantly, the majority of our fanbase, as well as the entire CodeWalrus staff, do not speak English as their native language, so we encourage members to not jump to conclusions about what people said nor their intentions.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: DarkestEx on June 23, 2015, 05:47:45 pm
So I finally read the rules....
I just checked that box on sign up (I often skip reading terms and conditions, if I don't spend money on the service e.g. Amazon, XBox Live (not paid, but still), Strato Webhosting, ...) :P).
Sorry for that ;)
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: Juju on June 23, 2015, 08:58:19 pm
No one reads the terms and conditions, in fact it would take years reading them all (especially Apple's and Microsoft's EULAs, I wonder how big it would be when printed out), no one would read the entire corpus of laws of your country, even lawyers struggles to do so, no one likes to get anything forced from anyone either (like some forums do when they desperately try to shove the rules on the face of every user), we're not that desperate, but it's very recommended to read a forum's rules not only to avert bad surprises, but also to keep life on the forum pretty friendly.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: Duke "Tape" Eiyeron on June 23, 2015, 09:03:03 pm
Actually, Microsoft has been made reable by humans, but I feel that some writing figures they used are quite... I dunno, they says multiple times thngs like "such as", but never give the whole list of cases they could use your data for instance.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on June 24, 2015, 09:39:44 pm
Yeah people reading TOS at registration are usually rare, especially that most forums don't even use their own set of rules for the registration agreement. They just use the default forum software one and have a separate page for the real rules.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on August 11, 2015, 01:26:47 am
In light of some issues that have been going on in the TI community for a few years and more recently on CodeWalrus, we have decided to amend our first forum/IRC rule. Changes are in bold:

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#1 - The rules or lack thereof apply to all forum users when they use CodeWalrus discussion mediums, regardless of user skills, member rank, religion, country, friendships and views. Playing the victim by yourself or on someone's behalf when reprimanded is also disallowed.

For example, just because I am friend with someone doesn't mean that this person is allowed to break our rules as she sees fit.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on November 02, 2015, 05:06:18 am
UPDATE: Added rule #10 (it's not really needed but last May and yesterday this has been a problem with 1 forum user in particular)

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#10 - If a forum member never breaks the rules, but it becomes clear that he constantly behaves at the very limit of bannability or that he is testing the rules non-stop (eg finding loopholes), then he can still be warned for it. Long hiatuses from the forum will not erase past warnings.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 02, 2015, 09:09:01 am
Is that for who I think it is ? :P
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on November 02, 2015, 09:44:40 pm
Exactly. :P I don't think that will be a problem with any other member.

Another problem I saw in the community back in the days are people who ignores warnings on purpose then pretend they never got warned once they get banned. But we already had a rule for that anyway (the 24 hours clause)
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: Streetwalrus on November 04, 2015, 02:08:50 pm
Added an IRC-specific section.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on November 05, 2015, 08:17:47 am
Oh lol I missed your post for some reasons. I probably misclicked the topic or Previous/next and it marked it as read. Thanks for the update notification. :)


Regarding the bot rules, another thing to keep in mind for users is to not incessantly beg staff to allow a new bot in, because that can get annoying and usually no means no anyway.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on December 09, 2015, 08:56:09 am
UPDATE:

Rule #3 now mentions "malicious content". This can be anything from rickroll pages that locks you up into an Alert box loop, viruses and luring people into damaging or formating their devices with misleading info. I'M not sure why this was not mentioned before in the rules, but I guess I figured that it would be common knowledge.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: DarkestEx on December 09, 2015, 10:15:11 am
UPDATE:

Rule #3 now mentions "malicious content". This can be anything from rickroll pages that locks you up into an Alert box loop, viruses and luring people into damaging or formating their devices with misleading info. I'M not sure why this was not mentioned before in the rules, but I guess I figured that it would be common knowledge.
That's sad. Why forbid Rickrolling :(
Also alert boxes can't lock anything up anymore as most browsers show a check box to disable further messages.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on December 09, 2015, 10:28:17 am
Oh I didn't know that. I guess it's fine as long as there's a way to escape. Besides, Michael Jackson rickrolling (https://youtube.com/watch?v=7Jbgo4iJFmQ) is much better :P
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: p4nix on December 09, 2015, 03:49:43 pm
Wow. I've onced tricked a teacher to open an endless alert loop on a button which was supposed to do nothing (HTML test, not JS).
Got a 1- (happened in grade 10)
(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on December 23, 2015, 09:36:26 pm
Weird, over here, the lower the number, the lower your grade. I guess he found it original. :P
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on February 09, 2016, 07:30:30 pm
Bump, I just thought I would post a reminder about a part of one of our rules, in light of what seems to be the consequences of incidents that occurred on another site in the past few months (only a few remarks were noticed on CodeWalrus, but I'm pre-emptively posting a reminder, since this seems to happen more and more often about 1 specific lib and to ensure this won't escalate in the future):

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#2 - Being rude, intolerant, provocative, manipulating or trying to start drama are disallowed under any circumstances. There are other ways to express your opinion.

The reason why I am quoting this and bolding "intolerant" is because I want to remind people that this rule also applies to programming languages, libraries, file size and amount of sub-programs used by program authors. Unless you have a valid argument (for example, if a BASIC programmer tries to make a raycasting game or if their 10-minutes long RPG is 100 KB large), we will not tolerate attempts to single out programmers who use specific programming languages, calculator models, calculator libraries/tools, large programs with multiple files and that, regardless of your opinion about the creator of said programming language or library.

You are free to debate which language is better and about better ways to code in separate topics, and we already have such topics, but just because the author of a library has done something bad in the past doesn't mean you should hate on the lib itself or the programs/authors that use it. And you can always make your own library if you really have issues with the existing ones anyway.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on May 11, 2016, 01:31:06 am
Board rules has been updated:

Before:

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#3 - Discussing or sharing advice or files dedicated for cheating on tests and exams, as well as the sharing of malicious content, private information,  illegal (ROMs, warez, etc) and adult material is strictly prohibited. Such content or links to it will be removed from your posts.
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#9 - Discussion in French is restricted to the off-topic section and the topic title must be prefixed with [FR].

After:

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#3 - Discussing or sharing advice or files dedicated for cheating on tests and exams, as well as the sharing of malicious content, private information (including responding to private messages in public without the sender's permission),  illegal (ROMs, warez, etc) and adult material is strictly prohibited. Such content or links to it will be removed from your posts.
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#9 - You can use English, French and Dutch on the forums, but if the topic is not in English then the language must be specified in the title.

Note that the rule #9 change was supposed to happen long ago (since we now have Dutch admins) but I forgot. As for the rule #3 edit... well... PM's are called private messages for a reason.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on September 08, 2016, 05:51:34 pm
Bump: The 2nd post of this topic, located at https://codewalr.us/index.php?topic=36.msg2244#msg2244 , has been updated to clarify our warning policies.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: p2 on February 20, 2017, 10:05:54 am
Translated the Rules to German.
I sometimes had to split them or change them a little bit
They should be 99% the same as the english ones.

Um zu gewährleisten dass sich jeder wohlfühlt und motiviert ist zu programmieren und seine/ihre Ergebnisse zu Teilen, müssen ein paar Regeln eingehalten werden:

#1a Die Regeln gelten für jedes Mitglied der Gemeinschaft, unabhängig von Fähigkeiten, Erfahrung, Rang, Alter, Herkunft, Religion, Freundschaft mit anderen Mitgliedern und der Hautfarbe.

#1b Das Opfer zu spielen damit andere bestraft werden ist nicht erlaubt.

#2 Intoleranzen und Bleidigungen sowie Provokationen und Manipulation anderer Mitglieder sind verboten. Dasselbe gilt für das Starten von Drama.

#3a Diskussionen oder Dateiweitergabe mit dem Ziel in Prüfungen zu betrügen sind nicht erwünscht. Dasselbe gilt für Schadsoftware und private Informationen (Dox).

#3b Öffentliches Antworten auf private Nachrichten ohne die Erlaubnis des Absenders ist nicht erwünscht.

#4a Offenes Werben, Spam, überfluten des Chat, übertriebenes Fluchen sowie störendes Verhalten im Allgemeinen sind nicht erlaubt.

#4b Accounts mit dem ausschließlichen Ziel zu Werben (spam-accounts) werden sofort gelöscht oder ihren Rechten enthoben.

#5 Doppeltes Posten in einem Thread innerhalb eines Tages wird nicht befürwortet. Den MODIFY-Knopf gibt es nicht umsonst. Ausgenommen sind wichtige Updates.

#6 Bitte misbraucht die Post-bewertungs funktion nicht, zum Beispiel durch massenhaftes Negativ-bewerten der Posts eines bestimmten Benutzers. Positiv-bewertung sind für hilfreiche Beiträge, negativ-bewertungen für inakzeptablen Inhalt.

#7 Jeder Versuch, die Forumregelungen zu umgehen (Doppelter Account, Mehrfach-abstimmungen, Ban-umgehungen, ...) führen zum Verlust deines Accounts.

#8 Nach mündlichen Verwarnungen die du über eine PM erhältst, hast du 24 Stunden Zeit zu antworten. Danach wird angenommen dass du die Nachricht erhalten hast und sie Akzeptierst.

#9a Für Posts darfst du Englisch, Französisch und Niederländisch verwenden.

#9b Für Topics die nicht Englisch sind, muss die Sprache im Titel angegeben werden: Tolles Thema [French]

#10 Wenn ein Forenmitglied zwar nicht die Reglen bricht, aber sich dauerhaft an der Grenze des Verbotenen bewegt und Ärger verursacht (die Regeln ständig austestet) kann er trotzdem verwarnt werden.



Rules I would add:
- Warnings expire after one year
- All staff decicions are made in democratic votings among all staff members, regardless their rank within staff
- Staff decicions may overpower the forum rules (so far happened 0 times)

rules I would change:
#10 - If a forum member never breaks the rules, but it becomes clear that he constantly behaves at the very limit of bannability or that he is testing the rules non-stop (eg finding loopholes), then he can still be warned for it. Long hiatuses from the forum will not protect such users.


Edit:
Quote from: IRC
Streetwal   p2   11:06:13
Streetwal   how bored are you   11:06:17
always a pleasure <3
and yeah, I am ^^
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on February 20, 2017, 03:01:31 pm
Thanks for the translation. May I ask, though, why is it necessary to split the rules in German compared to English? Do German language require every sentence to be split by paragraph?

As for the following:
Rules I would add:
- Warnings expire after one year
- Staff decicions may overpower the forum rules (so far happened 0 times)

I disagree. Sure, warnings can expire after a year, but not all warnings will. If after one year the user starts screwing up again and again with no improvements over the previous year, then the next warning he receives will probably never expire or at least won't do so in one year. Too many people have gamed the system in the past on other sites.

As for staff decisions overpowering the rules, I don't think such clause should become a thing, considering this Omnimaga clause is the very reason why CodeWalrus happened in the first place.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: PT_ on February 21, 2017, 11:43:04 am
Mocht dit toch gebeuren dan wordt de betreffende account verwijderd.
"het account" is more official

Tenslotte nog een paar aanbevelingen:
"Tenslotte" = "per slot van rekening", "ten slotte" = "tot slot", so you need "ten slotte" ;)
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: p2 on February 21, 2017, 03:37:53 pm
I think it'd be wrong to make every user think their warnings would never expire. afterall It's only very few exceptions that are handled differently.
(For which we have a separated rule - the one that targets people that keep testing the rules and only come here for trolling.)

And I agree that the rule saying "staff may overpower forum rules" makes us look bad... but that'S exactly what I added the counter "Happened 0 times so far" for, to show we usually DO stick to the forum rules :)
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on June 18, 2017, 05:05:21 am
Should we amend the rules to clarify that each user is responsible for what is posted on their account, even if they use crappy passwords, forget to log out of public computers, are under the influence of illicit or alcoholic substances or not 100% in control of themselves?

I am asking because in the past, there were multiple instances where WIRC or even forum topics were pretty much rendered unusable by out-of-control behaviors. Heck, I even got banned 1 week from WIRC for it once in 2015 or so.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: c4ooo on June 18, 2017, 06:44:00 pm
Should we amend the rules to clarify that each user is responsible for what is posted on their account, even if they use crappy passwords, forget to log out of public computers, are under the influence of illicit or alcoholic substances or not 100% in control of themselves?

I am asking because in the past, there were multiple instances where WIRC or even forum topics were pretty much rendered unusable by out-of-control behaviors. Heck, I even got banned 1 week from WIRC for it once in 2015 or so.
Do hypothetically if an admin's account gets hacked and the database deleted, the admin should be banned? Seems a bit unfair :( 
Although I do think this rule *should* apply if you are drunk/on drugs.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: mazhat on June 18, 2017, 08:01:27 pm
And I agree that the rule saying "staff may overpower forum rules" makes us look bad... but that'S exactly what I added the counter "Happened 0 times so far" for, to show we usually DO stick to the forum rules :)

@p2, In a way, there is in-explicit rules. If you talk to the right people in real life: you can actually
break some laws, but that's in few cases where breaking the law only does good.

For Codewalrus, I feel that there's non-spoken rules. Rules that are not spoken, but felt.
You guys can break rules, but only do it for the benefit of everyone, okay? :^)
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: _iPhoenix_ on June 18, 2017, 10:49:13 pm
I feel that admins should be able to break rules, as they see fit, as they are all sensible people.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: Juju on June 18, 2017, 11:05:32 pm
Of course we're going to use common sense, you should expect us to act appropriately if something happens here. If anyone gets hacked, don't assume we'd think it's going to be your fault.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: _iPhoenix_ on June 18, 2017, 11:08:02 pm
At least if you do have to break the rules, try not to hide it, perhaps, if it's not too private, post here when and why
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: Juju on June 18, 2017, 11:21:12 pm
Of course. Everyone should know what we are doing, and we'll always have a sensible reason why.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: aeTIos on June 19, 2017, 07:19:32 am
well, if were doing official stuff that is. I'm just flailing around in other cases.
Title: Re: Board and IRC Rules
Post by: xlibman on June 20, 2017, 05:08:21 am
I feel that admins should be able to break rules, as they see fit, as they are all sensible people.
Nah we try to avoid that :P although sometimes we tend to double post more :3=