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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2016, 06:40:48 pm »
Yeah, good idea. A lot of people in contests in the past started their entry at the very last minute. :P I hope the language isn't too complicated for the C64 >.<
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2016, 06:45:12 pm »
Yeah, good idea. A lot of people in contests in the past started their entry at the very last minute. :P I hope the language isn't too complicated for the C64 >.<
Yea.
About the language, considering that the C64 can actually run Java (yes, somebody ported the VM), it runs C fine.
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 07:34:30 pm »
Rally? O.O It must be ultra slow compared to C, though.
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2016, 08:50:12 pm »
Depends, if it's well optimized and the standard library is lightweight enough it can be decently fast. That machine runs BASIC after all.
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2016, 08:50:57 pm »
True, but isn't BASIC from back in the days much more primitive than Java these days? Java was designed for modern platforms, right?
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2016, 08:58:49 pm »
Well Java is a virtual machine, which makes it inherently simpler than an interpreter since there's a lot less parsing to do.
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2016, 09:00:31 pm »
Also a thing to consider: Imagine how fast our computers nowadays would be if they where optimized like those machines back then.
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2016, 09:06:23 pm »
Well believe it or not, compilers are so good at optimizing nowadays that they can beat humans at it. That said, you still have to write efficient algorithm, otherwise the compiler's effort is void. Also there are some things to keep in mind with modern architectures.See this for a great example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11227809/why-is-processing-a-sorted-array-faster-than-an-unsorted-array.
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2016, 09:51:35 pm »
Well believe it or not, compilers are so good at optimizing nowadays that they can beat humans at it. That said, you still have to write efficient algorithm, otherwise the compiler's effort is void. Also there are some things to keep in mind with modern architectures.See this for a great example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11227809/why-is-processing-a-sorted-array-faster-than-an-unsorted-array.
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2016, 10:01:02 pm »
Yeah, that might be true. But I'm always impressed how people solved problems on such limited platforms :)
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2016, 08:47:33 am »
This is why so many people loved programming calculators in the past and perhaps why they could become vintage platforms like the C64 in the future. People did not code much for the Nspire because they either wanted to push outdated platforms to their limits, which was more entertaining on the 83+/84+/89 series, or they wanted full-scale power, such as smartphones and computers.

@DarkestEx have you gotten any luck with C64 developement so far?
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2016, 12:01:43 pm »
This is why so many people loved programming calculators in the past and perhaps why they could become vintage platforms like the C64 in the future. People did not code much for the Nspire because they either wanted to push outdated platforms to their limits, which was more entertaining on the 83+/84+/89 series, or they wanted full-scale power, such as smartphones and computers.

@DarkestEx have you gotten any luck with C64 developement so far?
Yes indeed.

Well about the development, I haven't made any progress yet. I had to learn how everything works and I am still not done with that part. Also had I to buy some devices to be able to play my games from SD card on the actual C64 that I own. For development I use an emulator but I really like testing my progress on an actual device too.
Then school starts for me tomorrow again :(
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2016, 07:38:18 pm »
You might want to develop the game on PC instead for now, using Commodore graphics and palettes, scaling up the sprites and keeping gameplay simple, such as a puzzle exploration game, then once the contest is over, re-use the idea for an actual C64 game.
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2016, 11:24:49 pm »
Hmm, I should work on the or any C64 game again. My dad even bought me old assembler tutorial books from 1986. I should look through them and also try to get C working.
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Re: Walrii6510 - The walrii game on the C64
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2016, 07:05:26 am »
I wish you luck with C. It would be cool to see a Walrii game for C64, especially now that JWinslow is making Atari games. :)
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