After TI in America announced the TI-84 Plus CE color calculator, TI France now announces the TI-83 Premium CE!
http://education.ti.com/fr/france/products/calculatrices-graphiques/ti-83-premium-ce/tabs/overview
As you will notice in the link above, the calculator design is very similar to the TI-84 Plus CE. However, the keyboard layout is different, with some features from the TI-Collège Plus being available. In addition to that, the APPS key was moved elsewhere on the French model. Also, good news for people who worried that the calculator would be locked down: According to Critor (http://codewalr.us/index.php?topic=181.msg3593#msg3593)and TI's application page (http://education.ti.com/fr/france/products/calculatrices-graphiques/ti-83-premium-ce/tabs/applications), it looks like it will support applications as well as the Asm() command.
One important feature, however, for math users, is the availability of CAS-like features, such as exact mode. It is unknown if that feature is specific to the French model or available on the 84+CE too. In addition to that, the French model keeps the exam mode from its North-American counterpart, an indication that France school system is soon going to start using teacher mode like in US schools.
Also, a video of the TI-83PCE in action in a classroom is available on Youtube:
As good as the math features showcased in this video are, I would like to direct your attention to something in particular:
Go to 1:34 in the video, where the student enters an equation in the Y= editor then graph the equation, and notice how fast the screen appears to refresh. Although it doesn't look instant, it still seems much faster than the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition from 2013, which would definitively confirm rumors that the TI-84+CE and TI-83PCE are definitively faster. If that is the case, then this should hopefully address the issues that students had when entering math problems on the home screen in MathPrint mode, Y= equations or when using the program editor. We will have to confirm when someone has the chance to test those parts of the calculator in person, though.
TI-Connect CE was also revealed, and it now features a program editor, a feature that was also available in TI-Connect 1.5 but removed in 1.6. The interface also changed and is now slightly reminiscent of the HP Prime Connectivity kit.
Source: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=15882 and http://www.cemetech.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11114
UPDATE (January 17th 2015): Critor has managed to get his hands on a prototype yesterday and has published a full review, with tests, on TI-Planet. It turns out that Texas Instruments has finally listened to the people who complained about the slow typing and screen refresh speed witnessed at school on the TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition. Instead of a 15 MHz Z80, the TI-84 Plus CE has an ez80 processor! If you check the video posted by critor, you can see that the calculator is between 1.7 and 3 times faster depending of the operation.
Also, something new on this calculator is that language localization apps no longer appear in the APPS menu. Now you change the language in the MODE screen. Also, when navigating the MEM manager, if you move the cursor on a Flash APP, the version and copyright of that APP will appear in the status bar at the top of the screen.
Source of updated info: http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15885&p=175934#p175934[/b]
Yay, a potiential fast color Axe Parser platform!
Indeed. I wonder if half res and hardware scrolling are still supported? Lots of ASM and xlib games use it.
And now, a full test of a TI-83 Premium CE DVT prototype with many pictures and even a video :
http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=175931#p175931
Discover the speed, the PCB, the new ASIC, the CPU... everything you've wondered about ;)
Ooh awesome. I'll definitively need to check this out more in depth later when I have extra free time. :)
For now, I skipped immediately to processor and was amazed: Finally, TI listened to us and their many customers who complained at the Z80 being totally inadequate for a color screen this large: They switched to ez80! *.*
I'll probably edit the news post with the link and video, as well as the main important info. I wonder if ASM programs will still run or if the ASM language is entirely different? The extra speed increase doesn't seem too bad at least. BASIC will most likely still be slow like it ever has been, but at least it's much better than the CSE. :)
Most importantly, though, typing text is much faster. Just the slow typing would have annoyed me in class if I had to use such calc.
Critor, have you gotten the chance to try if the 160x240 resolution and hardware scrolling used in both my xLIBC Tunnel, AssemblyBandit's, as well as Flappy Bird, still works?
EDIT: Updated 1st post with new info (and its source).
eZ80?omfg, me wants, but me also wants an ara, so me have to choose q.q
the z80 and the ez80 is almost 100% compatible, ASM language is pretty much the same, except that there is much mcuh powerful command ( yes "mlt" I am looking at you :p ), and this is the nice thing. ASM program could be easly be ported :D
Aah ok. I was worried that since it was a different CPU name that it might have various differences and IIRC Premium apps won't install on a CSE and vice-versa.
I am especially looking forward to running tiboy on this if it is compatible :D
Oh wow, this is awesome. This is the calculator everyone hoped the CSE to be.
That said, for $129.99 it still misses one GHz or two and a GB of RAM. :P
Also: did anyone notice the length of the 2nd video? :crazy:
so close... sometimes is even IS :O
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 17, 2015, 03:56:10 AM
Critor, have you gotten the chance to try if the 160x240 resolution and hardware scrolling used in both my xLIBC Tunnel, AssemblyBandit's, as well as Flappy Bird, still works?
Even if the eZ80 does support z80 asm, this doesn't mean that the files don't have to be rebuilt.
Remember that TI-83+/84+ asm files didn't work on the TI-84+CSE.
Indeed, and same for 82 Stats <> 83+. Plus memory addresses will most likely be different.
I take french I at my high school, but I have very little idea what the teacher is saying in the first video. Looking forward to when the vid has English subtitles :)
It's ok. You can always check the TI-Planet review when it becomes available in English. Also as off-topic tip, if you are taking French you should read the news in English then in French :)
How was determined that it is an eZ80 in this new calc? You can verify it by running some code with eZ80-specific instructions. Or by making a program pulse the I/O port and measuring the signal frequency. You can determine the system clock frequency with this. (does not have the I/O port sadly)Another way is to dump the OS or one of the apps and see if it uses the eZ80-specific ADL memory mode.
Or you can check the TI-Planet news where Critor opened the calc. :P
Offtopic : Unfortunately TI-Planet is still quite sluggish and doesn't appeal me to browse it, even with a decent computer :/.
ontopic : Oh well, it's now pretty much on par with the Prizm now.
EDIT : comparing the CE and the G35 is a bit unfair IMO that it would make the reader eventually bias to the CE because the color screen. They should have used the Prizm instead.
Edited for calming my temper.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 19, 2015, 05:35:31 PM
Or you can check the TI-Planet news where Critor opened the calc. :P
That just shows an asic. It does not say eZ80
Ok, but then how does Critor know that it runs an ez80? Or is he just speculating?
Quote from: Eiyeron on January 19, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
Offtopic : what the hell with that site? Even with a fraking i7 I still only have like 10 fps! ><
TI-Planet went the complete opposite route than Omni for site design. They wanted to add character and functionalities to the site, while Omnimaga switched to a minimal design. With an account you can switch to a lighter TI-Planet theme, but as guest you have to switch back to the light theme on every visit.
Quote from: Eiyeron on January 19, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
EDIT : What the hell ,do they compare the CE with a freaking Graph 35+? It's like comparing a palm with an Iphone!
I think the 35+ was the FX-9750GII with a SH4 processor, right?
I think he is speculating based on the increased basic and plotting performance, but there does not seem to be any hard evidence or I must have read over it. It could still be an ARM emulating the z80 if no evidence is found for an eZ80.
If it was a Z80, then BASIC would probably rival CSE BASIC speed, because the calc has 150 KB of RAM. Because the TI-86 had 96 KB and required some sort of bankswitching since the Z80 did not handle this much RAM, this caused its BASIC to run about twice slower than the TI-85, so the same would be true on the CE if it used a 25 MHz Z80, for example (I think Z80 can't go above 25, right?).
I have a 20MHz z80 and I think that is about the fastest one you can get.
Yes, when I requested that sample I took the fastest one I could find :P
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 20, 2015, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: Eiyeron on January 19, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
EDIT : What the hell ,do they compare the CE with a freaking Graph 35+? It's like comparing a palm with an Iphone!
I think the 35+ was the FX-9750GII with a SH4 processor, right?
Nope I have a g35+ and it's an SH3. Concerning my surprise, it's mostly because I would have compared the CE to the CG-10/20 and not a monochrome calc. It's va bit unfaire and biaising but well. Sorry for having shocked someone.
Ah ok, but then if it's a SH3 it should still rival the TI-83+ or even 84+ for BASIC speed. That said, I think both the CE and 35+ are around the same price range in France. He might have wanted to compare with other calcs of the same prices as he might have found that spending twice as much money on an fx-CG20 when it barely does more than the CE (and is in fact much slower for drawing commands). Also, I think the PRIZM lacks exact answer mode, but I could be wrong.
I'm unsure why Casio calcs are so expensive in France, though. Maybe because they are more popular there and Casio has some sort of monopoly there in some school levels like they do in USA? In USA, both the 84+CSE and Casio PRIZM costs $129.99, while in Canada the CSE is $159.99 and the PRIZM $129.99.
On the other hand in Canada the Nspire CX CAS is now $229.51 *.*
In The Netherlands its still around 150 euri which is arond 175 a. Dolli. :P
Quote from: Eiyeron on January 20, 2015, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 20, 2015, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: Eiyeron on January 19, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
EDIT : What the hell ,do they compare the CE with a freaking Graph 35+? It's like comparing a palm with an Iphone!
I think the 35+ was the FX-9750GII with a SH4 processor, right?
Nope I have a g35+ and it's an SH3. Concerning my surprise, it's mostly because I would have compared the CE to the CG-10/20 and not a monochrome calc. It's va bit unfaire and biaising but well. Sorry for having shocked someone.
How is it unfair ?
The comparison with the fx-9750GII only deals with mathematics.
And from this point of view, fx-9750GII is the same thing as a Prizm fx-CG10/20.
It was probably because the 9750GII ROM provides about 100 times less memory to the user than the 83PCE (28 KB RAM on a 9750GII ROM vs 3150-3222 KB (150 KB RAM and 3 MB Archive) on a Premium CE), and twice less total memory if flashed with a 9860G ROM, so Eiyeron probably considered its features and user specs much inferior to the 83PCE (the PRIZM has 16 MB of Flash). When comparing calculators, some people only takes technical specifications into account. On the other hand, Critor has a point, since the comparison, as he says, was only about its math features (in fact I don't think the PRIZM even supports exact mode, so for that it's actually inferior to the 9750GII)
Looks like a nice calc but in not really interested in getting a new calc anymore. Good to know TI got their c together CPU wise though.
Quote from: critor on January 22, 2015, 08:07:19 PM
Quote from: Eiyeron on January 20, 2015, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 20, 2015, 08:55:37 AM
Quote from: Eiyeron on January 19, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
EDIT : What the hell ,do they compare the CE with a freaking Graph 35+? It's like comparing a palm with an Iphone!
I think the 35+ was the FX-9750GII with a SH4 processor, right?
Nope I have a g35+ and it's an SH3. Concerning my surprise, it's mostly because I would have compared the CE to the CG-10/20 and not a monochrome calc. It's va bit unfaire and biaising but well. Sorry for having shocked someone.
How is it unfair ?
The comparison with the fx-9750GII only deals with mathematics.
And from this point of view, fx-9750GII is the same thing as a Prizm fx-CG10/20.
Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 22, 2015, 10:19:42 PM
It was probably because the 9750GII ROM provides about 100 times less memory to the user than the 83PCE (28 KB RAM on a 9750GII ROM vs 3150-3222 KB (150 KB RAM and 3 MB Archive) on a Premium CE), and twice less total memory if flashed with a 9860G ROM, so Eiyeron probably considered its features and user specs much inferior to the 83PCE (the PRIZM has 16 MB of Flash). When comparing calculators, some people only takes technical specifications into account. On the other hand, Critor has a point, since the comparison, as he says, was only about its math features (in fact I don't think the PRIZM even supports exact mode, so for that it's actually inferior to the 9750GII)
Read my edited post. I only meant that there could have been a bias because the color screen which appeals mroe than the B&W screen.
So it appears that TS Promotions ships internationally. I signed up on their site and during checkout we can select any country in the billing info page. However, the 83PCE is still not available for sale in France. Also, another site I forgot the name of has it for 100 euros, so I am curious if TS Promotions will charge that much or 88.88 like Jaretty...
SO the TI-83 Premium CE is now available at Jaretty! If you are TI-Planet member and mention the TI-Planet offer during the purchase, as instructed at http://tiplanet.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=16533 , then you can get it for 97.88 USD (88.88 euros). Unfortunately, Jaretty doesn't ship outside europe, so it looks like those in America who don't mind French keypads will not be able to get a CE calc for $30 cheaper.
Meanwhile, TS Promotions has yet to get the calculator in stock and LDLC charges 100.78 euros for it (although that's still cheaper than the American model, but the higher shipping costs begins to take their toll there).
Too bad i don't have enough money <_<
In fact, so far, the TI-Planet/Jarrety offer is to get the USB wall charger for free, as the public price without the charger is 88.88 eur too (though Jarrety will change it to reflect a competitor (like TSP) selling it at a lower price).
Being in Canada I see the lack of graphing calc selling disturbing...
Quote from: Adriweb on May 24, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
In fact, so far, the TI-Planet/Jarrety offer is to get the USB wall charger for free, as the public price without the charger is 88.88 eur too (though Jarrety will change it to reflect a competitor (like TSP) selling it at a lower price).
Being in Canada I see the lack of graphing calc selling disturbing...
Bureau en Gros sells them, but they only have the TI-83+, 84+, 84+CSE, 89T, Nspire CX and fx-CG10 in stores. All other stores only carry them online. You can also get tye fx-9750Gii, 9860Gii, 9860Gii-S and fx-CP400 on Staples website, as well as Best Buy website.
EDIT: WOAH in France they charge $120 (around 90 euros) for a FX-9750Gii. WTF??????? O.O O.O (it's over twice as much as over here)