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THIS IS TRUMP'S ACTUAL FACE - NOT A ROBOT

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YOU VOTED FOR HIM  (-_(//)); AFTER WATCHING THIS

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RIP my future
RIP Homo Sapiens
RIP America
RIP Planet Earth
One minute of silence for these.

Quoted from the Opossum Massage Simulator thread since this is relevant to this topic:

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 09, 2016, 06:49:54 AM
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Anyway, I am kind of worried about this. I think he has a big mouth and won't do most of what he said (after all, it's not like other politicians hold their promises most of the time), so hopefully he won't turn Canada and Europe into a dumping ground for deported Americans. Also, under Obama, who is black, it's not like racial tensions in USA got that much better with the racial riots against police that there was in 2015-16, so I think for some minority groups, Trump as president will end up being business as usual. However, with everything he said, I think tensions will only get worse between groups of individuals. I also hope that his protectionist measures won't happen at the expense of the rest of the world. While we want USA economy to improve, we don't want a massive Greece/Brexit-like financial collapse to happen on a worldwide scale.

His threats of jailing Hilary Clinton also worries me. Maybe she has done criminal stuff? We never know. But the issue is that it could cause a precedent, where leaders of the opposition gets imprisoned over stupid matters. USA should remain a democracy, not a dictatorship.

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 09, 2016, 04:57:54 PM
so hopefully he won't turn Canada and Europe into a dumping ground for deported Americans

That would be amazing, though. I'd let myself be deported at that point :P

QuoteSpoiler: Hillary Clinton crying

Clinton crying would imply she has a soul.

Jokes aside, I really am rather worried. Not really about Trump, but what people will do. I'm also worried about Pence.

Quote from: Scipi on November 09, 2016, 05:35:05 PM
I'm also worried about Pence.

Quote from: Scipi on November 09, 2016, 05:35:05 PM

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 09, 2016, 04:57:54 PM
so hopefully he won't turn Canada and Europe into a dumping ground for deported Americans

That would be amazing, though. I'd let myself be deported at that point :P

QuoteSpoiler: Hillary Clinton crying

Clinton crying would imply she has a soul.

Jokes aside, I really am rather worried. Not really about Trump, but what people will do. I'm also worried about Pence.

The problem if he ever mass-deported groups of people to Canada or if many people left on their own is that it could cause some sort of rental crisis, because in many cities the vacancy rate of housing is very low, especially for affordable appartments. The estate/construction economy in Canada would start rolling like mad again, but the high demand might cause appartment rent prices to skyrocket in many regions.

Quote from: Scipi on November 09, 2016, 05:35:05 PM

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 09, 2016, 04:57:54 PM
so hopefully he won't turn Canada and Europe into a dumping ground for deported Americans

That would be amazing, though. I'd let myself be deported at that point :P

QuoteSpoiler: Hillary Clinton crying

Clinton crying would imply she has a soul.

Jokes aside, I really am rather worried. Not really about Trump, but what people will do. I'm also worried about Pence.

Yeah, I read horrors about Pence. If people really thinks that Trump is anti-LGBT, then it's nothing compared to Pence. I bet he would make homosexuality illegal if he wanted to.

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Yep.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPEZaXyx6NA

Ok guys, since trunk isn't alone to think so, i'll repeat again :
ALL AMERICANS ARE FAT, UGLY RACIST ARYANS, KILLING MEXICANS AT THE US-MEXICO BORDER, EATING
CRAP AT MCDONALD AND BEATING THEIR OWN WIFES !
...
...
AND THEY ARE LOVING IT !

@gameblabla now now let's not generalize. We should not lower ourselves to Trump level.


Anyway, what I must say is that whether it was Hilary or Trump who won, Sabaton metal band will certainly have a lot of new material to write new songs about in the next few years, since their songs talk about WWII and other wars.

Meh. Yes, we probably chose the worse(r) of 2 evils. Yes, we may be doomed in the long run. But there's nothing we can do now. Life goes on.

BTDubs, it was 15,000 that voted Harambe. ;)

Well, with Trump in and Obama out, seems Justin Trudeau is now the coolest and least insane world leader (http://www.mtlblog.com/2016/11/its-official-justin-trudeau-now-ranked-most-powerful-leader-in-the-world/) out there.

EDIT: Just remembered Shinzō Abe in a Super Mario costume. Man, that was epic.

On the other hand, will Trudeau do much as a prime minister, other than taking selfies? <_<

Also I didn't know the Shinzo Abe thing O.o

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on November 10, 2016, 06:59:11 AM
Also I didn't know the Shinzo Abe thing O.o

You might remember him as the prime minister of Japan who notably took a pipe to Rio as Mario to attend the Olympic closing ceremonies.

Another notable stunt by a chief of state would also be the Queen of England falling down an helicopter with James Bond at London 2012.

it has begun...
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But also:

Quote from: Putin"Russia is ready and wants to restore the full fledged relations to the United States. I repeat: we understand that this will be a difficult way but we are ready to play our part in it."

Quote from: p2 on November 10, 2016, 10:15:33 AM
it has begun...
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But also:

Quote from: Putin"Russia is ready and wants to restore the full fledged relations to the United States. I repeat: we understand that this will be a difficult way but we are ready to play our part in it."

It's tragic, though I'm not surprised with the sheer emotional charging and fear mongering that went on with this campaign. What's worst is it seems the LGBT community doesn't have a whole lot to fear from Trump himself. On election night, his policies on LGBT rights (as well as Planned Parenthood) were removed. The Republican controlled house and senate might try something, but Trump seems unconcerned either way on the issue. At least on an official basis.

Yeah, basically Trump's stance about LGBT was no gay marriage and the trans bathroom usage. Not much different from past presidents other than Obama overall.

Pence, on the other hand...

The only silver lining with Pence is that officially the VP's role is only to resolve tie-breakers in the Senate. But if anything happens to Trump, it'll be Pence who we get as President.

By the way, I never really understood much anything about free trade agreements and I don't feel like reading a massive wall of text full of words that only lawyers can understand. Generally speaking, is a free trade agreement required in  order for international companies to do business in another country? Or does it just increase that business? Or does it force multinationals like Walmart to sell a certain percentage of Canadian goods at their Canadian stores?

I am wondering, because I would hate if Trump went all-out with his protectionist measures and that it resulted into Microsoft, Apple, Walmart, McDonald's, etc, being forced to exit Canada and stop selling their Xbox or iPads, whatever over here. Or could it be that he wants the agreement to be one-way, with American companies being allowed to sell stuff in Canada but disallow Canadian ones to sell stuff in USA?

Yeah, free trade agreements are a bit hard to understand and there's a lot of legal oddities and details to figure out, but it pretty boild down to this: free trade. As in, members of the agreement should have their import/export rules relaxed for each other, at least compared to other countries. Trump probably finds those rules a bit too relaxed (especially when the agreement involves Mexico) or there's one of those details he finds a bit too liberal. It's kinda complex and you'll probably need a Ph. D. in law to understand all of that.

Well if it's just that then it's not that bad. It could probably help some distressed regions although I think the problem for many cities is corruption and failing to shift to different industries and sectors. Detroit is an example. But I hope he doesn't restrict trade too much to the point where it ruins all economies around USA.

A fictional trade agreement with fictional points:

in america the lights for a car have to be green and be 6cm big
in europe they have to be blue and 4cm big
so now the car producers have to create two different cases to put the lights in and can't freely sell teir lights everywhere because they have the wrong color.
So now we make an agreement saying the new lights shall be red and 5cm big. Europe and america agree. They can now trade with the lights.
Also they agree to get rid of extra taxes for shipping lights.
the car producers can now safe money and sell more lights.
the people now have to use red lights.

how much good there will be from trade agreements? I dont know.
Afterall it would most likely only be the biggest companies making more money while the smaller local ones dont profit from them at all.
But the big problem (why many were against them) is that they change a lot of production standards (safety standards, standards for healthy food, for non-toxic stuff in electronics, ...)

http://store.steampowered.com/app/515040/

/me runs

@p2 it's more about getting every car manufacturer to comply to the same standard than something about trade, but of course it would help. Since Canada is literally next to the US and it's the easiest country to import things from, they will want to comply to the same standards as the US, no matter what. The trade thing is more about getting American manufacturers to install themselves in Canada and contribute to the Canadian economy and vice-versa.

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@p2 ah right, like how buses built for use in Canada must  have a certain percentage of Canadian content

yeah it's simply to make trading easier by using the same standards everywhere ^^
but the problem is exactly those standards (like GMOs coming to Europe and stuff like that.
Also they only help the biggest companies like cars and stuff like that while the small regional buissneses even have negative effects...
so there's a lot of protest against them around here ^^

I can see where there would be some unrest if people dont like the standards proposed.

yeah huge protests all over Germany and lots of petitions and stuff started, even a few organisations like "Stop TTIP&CETA *region*" were created...
Political parties "Piraten", "AfD" and "Die Linke" as well as GreenPeace, Fairtrade Organisations, BUND (nature preservation guys), ...
everyone was on the streets xD
protests were a huge fun. Best sign I saw:
"Dumbledore wouldn't let this happen"
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Edit: nice trump song: https://soundcloud.com/insaneofficialsound/trump-for-pr0

Quote from: STV on November 09, 2016, 01:56:43 PM
RIP my future
RIP Homo Sapiens
RIP America
RIP Planet Earth
One minute of silence for these.

What do you mean by this? Especially the RIP your future and America part...

Your future is perfectly fine. In fact, if Hillary Clinton was elected, your future would not exists. Putin has been quoted saying the world was a few votes away from total decimation. If Hillary Clinton was elected, she would start a war with Russia, most likely leading to nuclear weapons being used. America will be in better shape. Many factories move across the border because there are barely any emission laws and there are low tariffs on transporting goods from Mexico to the USA. Trump will raise the tariffs making it so the factories will lose money by being in Mexico. They will come back along with millions of jobs. And for future times when people say Trump will go around deporting Hispanics: Trump will not do that, he's already said that anyone who helps out illegal immigrants by giving them jobs or housing them will be put in Federal prison and fined $500,000. The illegals will not be able to get jobs and realize that the USA is worse for them than their home countries. They will leave.

Also, anyone who says that we should feel sorry for many of the Latino children who have illegal immigrants, none of this would have happened if the parents did not come in illegally. Your parents leaving, or even if Trump, US Border Patrol, or the FBI deports children's parents, that is a direct result of the parents doing something illegal. If none of the parents are US citizens, then the child should not be either.

I do not hate Hispanics. In fact, some of them are the nicest people that I have ever met. I just do not agree with what some of them do and what Hillary Clinton would have supported.

Quote from: SiphonicSugar on November 17, 2016, 02:36:36 AM
Also, anyone who says that we should feel sorry for many of the Latino children who have illegal immigrants, none of this would have happened if the parents did not come in illegally. Your parents leaving, or even if Trump, US Border Patrol, or the FBI deports children's parents, that is a direct result of the parents doing something illegal. If none of the parents are US citizens, then the child should not be either.

Gee siphonicsugar, those are harsh words.
No matter if they are legal or not, they are human beings.
What's even the point of deporting the so-called "illegal immigrants" anyway ?
The bible says nothing about illegal immigrants.
lol i rekt siphonicsugar rly hard

Well, they are harsh words, but sometimes things need a harsh answer.
They are human beings so that's we should not just go deporting them, but take a nicer and more logical approach.
Why couldn't they just come here legally in the first place.
Because the Bible does not say anything about it, others have to do something about it. Anyway, the Bible does not govern government and safety of the citizens sooo... Maybe the US Constitution has something about illegals in there...

Also, if they do deport the parents, would it be better for the kids to go too so the family stays together?
I think many immigrants also come because our president is broadcasting to the whole world that we will give you free schooling, health care, and give you a good job that pays higher than what you usually get, even if it is illegal to come here. 9 out of 10 illegals caught by the border patrol are released on US streets because they can say the magic words "Obama said it was okay"

that are indeed aharsh words and many may not agree with him on that point but the core of his mesage is true: Trump got his way of thinking and doing things, it might be hard, yess, but he's still no monster that'll destroy america.
and peace negotiation with russia... what else should we wish for right now?
especially me as I'm from germany... (NATO's "spearhead" in the fight against russian "agressors") <_<

of cause it'd be a lot nicer if he let them live there but I can t least a little bit understand trumps position there and to me it looks like he really wants a "AMERICA, c YEAH", no smoking ruins ;)

btw I hate it how every cing politician around the world comes to tell trump not to destroy the world... <_< they did worse things themselves and still tolerate way worse things but yet tell trump to respect human rights and c like that... It's not like he slaughters babies after raping them but the whole world acts liek he did  <_<

SiphonicSugar I am fairly sure that many immigrants leave Mexico (illegally or legally) to escape drug gangs located in some areas there. That said, jobs should be first made available to legal US residents. As for deporting illegal immigrants, they will go where? Canada? I think deportation will only move the problem elsewhere.

Yeah, that's why I'm saying we shouldn't go around deporting immigrants. We need to take a better approach. Also, they should ask for help or have a revolution if they don't like their country. That's what the US did...

Also, apparently there are 900 families that basically run Mexico.

wasnt it more like 10 families running the world... <_<
but yess you're right, for example in venice the names of the families ruling the country haven't changed for hundreds of years...
but I guess we now get to the "the boor stay poor and hte rich get even richer" point where we would have to redo half of the worldwide politics stuff...
so before things get out of hands, lets just return to trump.
I like his hair ^^

btw it's pretty hard to start a revolution as a refuge...
even in their own land, they leave as they would else get shot or something, right? then how on earth should they start a revolution? they'd all just get killed the forst day at revolution planning... <_<

There's 4 families who basically runs the Pitcairn Islands. Because there's literally only 4 families there.

The funny thing is almost every other country deports nationals who aren't legally allowed to reside in the country (VISA ran out, came ashore outside of immigration etc) ... so it's strange to hear people bring that up as a bad thing - especially when such people are saying this FROM one of these countries.

I certainly know in Australia if you are a foreign national and you don't have your paperwork in order - you get deported ... There is an entire TV show about it!

Though I understand that certain parts of perceived culture in the US has a certain regard towards low-cost illegal immigrant employment, for which a large portion of some industries are built upon - So the situation does need to be handled with care.

@Juju I smell incest... <_<
also I wonder if they also get ads like "Oh youre on PITCAIRN ISLANDS, too? Wanna date me??" :trollface:

@tr1p1ea I know, what trump doesisn't that evil, many countries do exactly the same, but it's evil because it's trum, he HAS TO BE evil... <_<
Countries doing the exact same c but still blaming him when he does the same... "double moral" at it's best <_<

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5qpfNfv8Qw

Quote from: tr1p1ea on November 18, 2016, 03:12:54 AM
The funny thing is almost every other country deports nationals who aren't legally allowed to reside in the country (VISA ran out, came ashore outside of immigration etc) ... so it's strange to hear people bring that up as a bad thing - especially when such people are saying this FROM one of these countries.

I certainly know in Australia if you are a foreign national and you don't have your paperwork in order - you get deported ... There is an entire TV show about it!

Though I understand that certain parts of perceived culture in the US has a certain regard towards low-cost illegal immigrant employment, for which a large portion of some industries are built upon - So the situation does need to be handled with care.

I think the main issue is that Trump's idea would involve mass deportation of 3 million people simultaneously and while immigrants should enter the country legally and not steal jobs of people who entered it or lived there legally for their entire lives, people don't like the prospect of 3 million human beings becoming homeless overnight.

IMHO, they should not be kicked out, but they should not be allowed all benefits from legal residents, and their labor rights should be limited to labor sectors that have severe worker shortage problems, such as farm land jobs. That's unless the person is disabled or something, in which case their welfare cheque would just have an illegal immigrant tax.

Well, so I thought that Trump wouldn't attempt to do the muslim ban nor the wall and that he just had a loud mouth that would ultimately turn out to be another crappy president like many of the past ones. But it seems I was not only wrong, but I also didn't expect it to happen this fast.

Anyway, his plan is flawed like mad because unless it changes for the better in the next few weeks:
1) He banned people from 7 countries from entering the states, rather than all muslims. There are way more than 7 countries with muslims in it, there are also some people in the 7 countries that are not muslim.

2) As most people know, there are many muslims who came here to escape war and start a new life, but sadly it seems that a few bad apples always ruin things for everyone else most of the time.

3) There are college and uni students from Europe that spent thousands of $$$ to study abroad, in the United States. The ones who happened to spend the holidays at home and had their winter semester start after this weekend might have just lost an entire semester or possibly any chance to earn their diploma. Basically, they both lost $10000+ and now have to restart their studies from scratch in a different country (or theirs).

4) If your favorite Major League Baseball, Major League Soccer or National Hockey League team has players who originate from said countries and have no Canadian citizenship, then they will no longer be able to play against any Canadian team in Canadian stadiums and if they do, then the teams will have to get rid of them. Same with your favorite olympic or tennis player.

5) Same as #4, but with your favorite signers, bands, movie actors, etc. If they had planned to shoot a movie in USA, they now have to find a different actor or move the scene outside of USA.


So IMHO, the whole thing is completely flawed if it ends up being permanent. Trump should have done like illegal immigrants: Only ban people with criminal records (starting with recent crimes and violent ones). I don't know if it can be hard for USA to access someone's criminal records from a different country, though.

First of all, it's not about the muslims, but the terrorists. The terrorists are mostly in those 7 countries. (Of course, the medias tend to generalize everything and try to demonize an entire religion, but Trump assures it's not the case here.) The ban should be valid for 90 days until Trump's administration had time to think it through and comes up with a better immigration plan.

Still, there would be terrible implications as DJ mentioned, including many employees in big companies like Google, Yahoo and Microsoft, the case of the Canadian Minister of Immigration (ironically enough, although he could definitely get away with a diplomatic passport, Trudeau later confirmed a simple Canadian passport would also work) and gold medalist Somalian-born British runner Mo Farah, who currently resides in the United States and is currently in training in Ethiopia. At least, a court order required the government not to expatriate those people, but think of all those people who are either stuck in the United States or unable to go back to see their families. Even worse, some of these countries are pretty good at athletic events, this would mean some of the athletes will have no other choice than boycott these events. Good thing we're off-season and not during Olympic Games because that would be even more disastrous.

Seriously, we're one week in Trump's presidency and it's a big trainwreck. Can't wait to see the next four years... At least, the guy is keeping his promises.

Yeah it's true that he wants to ban terrorists, but I think there are better ways to ban them than banning an entire country including innocents. My main issue is that the way the current ban was implemented seems to have been implemented without any planning. I'M ok if they are banned for a short while (although this still causes some issues, such as students studying abroad, actors, musicians and stuff, but if Trump administration uses common sense then they can probably exempt certain people who are guaranteed to be safe). Banning immigrants with criminal records (crimes that are considered crimes in USA, that is) would already help, and spending 3 months (or more) to write a new immigration plan properly would help. There should also be laws preventing people from forcing a religion on others or preventing people from forcing others to remove religious symbols. This is supposed to be a free country.

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 30, 2017, 01:59:01 AM
This is supposed to be a free country.

It still is. Free of all the good things that make it non-evil. Including me. Because I'm black and from Africa.*Deported*
One nation under Trump, highly divisible, with liberty and justice for some. :P

The failing Trump administration has reached majority disapproval in a record 8 days! SAD!

Yeah, they did that, probably without planning, while they actually think of a proper plan. Kind of stupid, I know.

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 30, 2017, 01:59:01 AM
There should also be laws preventing people from forcing a religion on others or preventing people from forcing others to remove religious symbols. This is supposed to be a free country.

Tell that to the Québec government :P

Quote from: Legimet on January 30, 2017, 03:35:25 AM
The failing Trump administration has reached majority disapproval in a record 8 days! SAD!

Wonder why he was elected. People thought he wasn't serious? No one knows.

Quote from: Legimet on January 30, 2017, 03:35:25 AM
The failing Trump administration has reached majority disapproval in a record 8 days! SAD!

I wonder if the US constitution allows an existing president to be thrown out or forced to launch new elections before due date? Because in Canada, this happened in the past with Joe Clark (he didn't even stay 8 months).

Quote from: DJ Omnimaga on January 30, 2017, 03:38:57 AM
I wonder if the US constitution allows an existing president to be thrown out or forced to launch new elections before due date? Because in Canada, this happened in the past with Joe Clark (he didn't even stay 8 months).

He would have to be impeached by both houses of Congress, which is very unlikely to happen with Republican majorities. There is no constitutional procedure for holding new elections (and the constitution is very hard to change, because a constitutional amendment requires ratification by 38/50 states).

Yes. In Canada and other countries based on the British system, you can throw the government out and cause new elections simply by voting against the budget. In the US, you can impeach the president and any other official, but it's a long, long process. Actually, any process to throw the president out would reastically never be carried out, mostly due to the fact the elections have fixed dates and the Republicans have a majority. And even then, the president would be replaced by the vice-president for the remainder of his term, followed by at least 15 Republicans.

Hm that sucks if you guys gets a really bad president under such majority...

Lol, trump already proved to the whole world he's a cing failure, it's too hilarous.

Why he did not put Saudi Arabia on the list ?
That's like the worst "Muslim" country with no woman's rights (a woman can get herself in jail if she reports being raped),
gay people are not even allowed to exist, all tourists must pass through an iris scan and it's filled with extremists.
Yet it's not even on the black list and he put some countries on the blacklist that are not even that bad...
Seems like he did not want to ruin his businesses he had there lol.

Also dj, he worded the order in such a way that it only targets muslims from said countries.
(Christians would fall for example under the exception "Minorities")

Anyway, it's a really heavy handed way of dealing with "Islamic" terrorists and it's unlikely to improve things.
It would have been better if he gave a basic income to everyone so they would not be tempted to fall to the "dark" side,
with all the benefits it comes. (rip project ceasefire)
But he would rather use that money to build a wall. (which Americans are going to pay with their own taxes, lel)